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Paul Carl
09-08-2005, 10:54 PM
I may not know all the ins and outs of the LVEC but I sure can hell count. They say they will make 600 parkingspots and can use 2,000 more or so located downtown. Well please some one give Mr H. Rosen's head a shake.

Great you can park everyone that wants to walk at least 5 to 10 city block's to go and see a concert at the LVEC. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... last time I looked most entertainment centres had ample FREE parking spaces withing walking distance or included in the building. Maybe the Springers or Rosen's family would be so generous to sell thier land (for a profit of course) to the city for more parking.

But our "Fearfull leader" says that we can use downtown parking for events.well you have 3 options

option 1) Run the LVEC only from the hours of 6pm to 6 am, so as the workers downtown can have what is already scarse parking during the day( By the way if you do that, how is the downtown business going to benefit if they are closed during those hours of the LVEC is open.............)

option 2) which seems to me how this city counsel works....place construction signs up around a 10 city block area and when all tenants and store owners loss thier businesses due to construction delays they will be force to sell to the city (for a loss or even better to the Springers and Rosen's for a loss and then they can sell it to the city for profit). that solves the parking lot problem.....

Or another option is when ever a great concert of more then 70 people(Wayne Newton ) happens, the city will enforce that all downtown workers not be allowed to park downtown but to travel on the city bus for an hr or two both ways (it takes up to 1&1/2 hrs to travel from one side of our city to the other on our transit) This is so that all those downtown parking spots will be available for the LVEC. And while the people are in the LVEC they will be snug knowing that the concert cannot run more then 2 hrs or they all will have to get up at once and leave to go 5 to 10 blocks away to put money in the meters. At least we know that those veterns will have to pay...heavens forbid if we give any free to the same peopel that gave us so much without even debating it.

I would like to add that at least with the way the city handles constuction and the delays and cost overuns....not only will my kids not see the LVEC but my grand kids may just see the opening and can expect thier grand kids to pay for it.

Also this is to Mr Harvey Rosen.there is a saying "where there is smoke there is fire"...and with all the allegations and precived conflicts. How can you go to the papers and say you have no conflict of interst involving the area you want the LVEC to go.......for christ sake your family owns one side and your friends the Springers own the other...................let me guess the LVEC is to be called The SPRINGER Dome.

The public sees you as a Mayor that is to out of touch with the working people of this city and too high and mighty to even listen to us to learn that many people while they agree we need a centre..not where your family and friends want it.

Paul Carl

Lydia
09-09-2005, 11:39 PM
Hi everyone, I just received this e-mail and I thought I might share it with you all. This is getting really exciting when people create a taxpayers rebellion.

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You may consider this being posted at the KCAL and Kingston Electors websites.

Dear Fiends of CRDK

I am writing to let you know that a meeting is to be held to launch a new initiative. The meeting is being organised by Mr. Howard Stone, 544-8100 "howard stone" <howard.stone@sympatico.ca>

Mr. Stone's expertise is in operations research. Before retiring he worked for 23 years as an internal consultant for the Ontario government. Finally we have a citizen of this City with the right background and initiative to make a change for the better in the way the City operates. I urge you to come to the meeting.

Sincerely

Deri

The flyer for the meeting is as follows.


NOTICE

KINGSTON MUNICIPAL VOTERS

OPEN MEETING

MEMORAL HALL, CITY HALL

SEPTEMBER 14th 2005 7.00 PM

This is an open invitation to all concerned, aggravated and alienated Taxpayers in the City of Kingston.

PURPOSE

To establish a City wide Taxpayers organization

COMMENTS,

Never in the history of Kingston has it been more important that taxpayers rise up and take back ownership of the Municipal Council. Almost everything of significance that Council has touched has turned into either a planning disaster, community enragement, a major tax increase, or another hand-out to developers and friends

The concerns and needs of the Residents of Kingston are being ignored in deference to a greedy segment of the business community. Taxpayers must be able to make their positions on major issues, known through a coordinated Taxpayers Organization.

United, our Electoral District voices will be very meaningful. Individually, our Electoral District voices are lost in the noise of the wind.

A strong attendance and participation of voters from all of the 12 Electoral Districts is highly desirable

Mark the date on your calendar now, don’t miss this meeting.

For more information, call Howard Stone , 544-8100. I use call display and your calls will be returned.


Dr. Frederick Walker Fairman
108 Earl St. Kingston, Ontario
Canada, K7L 2H1 1-613-544-4952
http://www.ece.queensu.ca/faculty/fairman/index.html
Kingstonians Concerned About the LVEC (KCAL)
http://www.kcal.ca
Citizens for Responsible Development in Kingston (CRDK)
http://www.citizens.kingston.on.ca

Florence
09-11-2005, 08:19 PM
Almost everything of significance that Council has touched has turned into either a planning disaster, community enragement, a major tax increase, or another hand-out to developers and friends

The quote above is inflamatory and wrong. Things happen that we don't like. SO?

Lydia
09-12-2005, 12:42 AM
Florence,
The information above just shows that this council has ticked off so many people that it looks like taxpayers are INVITED to attend meetings. This is not a good thing especially before elections are to take place within a year or two.

When things happen that we don't like, it is up to us to find out WHY. You don't change things by being silent.

You are either part of the problem or part of the solution. When you shut your mouth and become a victim of circumstance you don't have the right to complain UNLESS you are willing to open your mouth and express your concerns AND offer solutions to the problem. You are not a victim when you point out different ways and ideas. Of course some people don't like that becaue they prefer being victims.

LUckly people on here are not victims, they express their view points.

Florence
09-12-2005, 08:56 AM
Couldn't agree more Lydia. Moaning about the unfiarness of it all does nothing to change things. Nor, I think does resisting tax hikes unless one has a serious analysis of where taxes are misspent and where they would be better spent. As to suggesting that our councillors are in the pockets of developers and business people - well that is just nonsense. Perhaps the writer you quote above is upset at the tone of Council. The tone may be business oriented but that doesn't mean the councillors are on the take. Mr Stoone should perhaps run for Council to see if his ideas receive a landslide endorsement from the community.

macphail
09-12-2005, 03:23 PM
Nor, I think does resisting tax hikes unless one has a serious analysis of where taxes are misspent and where they would be better spent.

On Monday, October 3 at 7:00 PM, Kingston Electors/Cogeco 13 will host a live call-in show about municipal budgets. The show is tentatively called "Kingston Matters: What do you want your tax dollars spent on?" and will feature Richard Tindal (municipal governance expert and author) as well as someone from the political side (hopefully a former municipal councillor/mayor) to discuss and answer questions about the budgetting process.

My personal opinion is that it isn't neccessarily where taxes are misspent, but how the budgets are derived at in the first place (it would appear that an incremental approach is taken as opposed to a serious examination and justification for funds requested by various departments).

Equally important is thought and discussion by the public on how funds are raised: Property taxes vs user fees (there is a case to be made for tapping into income taxes, but that currently isn't an option in Ontario...except if you consider lobbying the provincial government to take wealth redistribution programs - such as social services - back under its wings).

So tune in and call in! Let's get the ideas flowing!

Cheers, Derek

Lydia
09-12-2005, 05:01 PM
:) :) :D

Death and Taxes we ALL pay, in one way or another. Derek you hit it on the nose when you talk about ACCOUNTABLITY and Open discussion on why certain departments need what they ask for.

We ALL should really ask our representatives on the WHYs they need money. Then we should all ask ourseves if the REASONS they give are accountablity to us and used for the purposes they tell us.

Lets face it, THANK GOD for taxes other wise we wouldn't have anything at all. WOW DID I JUST SAY THAT???? lol lol.

User fees and taxes are the same to me. Call them what you want. If money is coming out of my pocket for what ever reason, I get poorer. lol lol.

I am all for user fees if I get to decided where I WANT MY MONEY to go and I get to tell the group, department, governmental body what I want done with it. Otherwise Taxes are for the good of everyone regardless of whether you use it or not. Let's face it again. Some where and Some time in our lives we ALL used our fair share of things. If we didn't our families did.

I am not happy about a Tax revolt but I can understand why people are starting to feel that way. It all stems down to the fact that people feel like they have been lied too by our administrators. That is the reason I so very happy to hear that councilors like George Stoparczyk and I do not agree. He is very open about his positions. I can trust him. I don't agree with him, but I can TRUST HIM. That i respect.

Do i feel that our councilors are on the take? NO, I don't. Do i feel like i can trust them. NO, I don't. A very few of them I do and George is not the only one that I do trust.

Paul Carl
09-14-2005, 10:31 PM
WOW. it so conforting to know that I am not the only person in this city that is fed up with the way our elected officials run this city we so love. I am so proud that that many peopel came out to the meeting.

Paul Carl

Lydia
09-15-2005, 12:01 AM
Wow is right Paul, It has been one of the most remarkable nights of my life. I am very passionate about having the citizens of my city having a voice on issues that affect them.

People will sit around and complain but never do anything else. The number of people from ALL over the ENTIRE city that came out was very impressive.

To think the EVERY DISTRICT was represented is incrediable. It shows me that we are A city. wE ALL HAVE THE sames needs and concerns. We are all affected no matter where we live.

This group will NOT BE US AGAINST THEM kind of group. It is TIME for each of us to gather together and express our concerns.

I am very happy to have met you Paul is has been my pleasure. Lets work together in making this city great.