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posting
04-10-2007, 09:56 PM
Is this a realistic expectation of civic politicians?

-- Kingston Electors


Civic watchdog wants new rules for ambitious politicians

CBC April 9, 2007

[/URL] city hall watchdog group in Ottawa wants to establish a code of ethics to discourage municipal politicians from fleeing their seats for higher office before their terms are up.

Eye on Ottawa (http://www.cbc.ca/news/credit.html), a group of defeated municipal candidates, argues the exodus of municipal politicians seeking higher office before the end of their term is a wasteful expense and disrespects voters who go to the polls to give councillors a four-year mandate.

"For that person to actually come out six months or a year or two into their term and say, 'Listen, I've changed my mind. I don't think I'm going to deliver on that commitment I said I would give to you," there's a little bit of a lack of ethics," said Luc Lapointe, Eye on Ottawa's interim chairman.

City councillors Michel Bellemare and Diane Deans are held up as examples of the exodus.

In November 2006 they were sworn in as part of a new crop of councillors following Ottawa's municipal election. Bellemare has since announced he plans to seek a federal Liberal nomination in the next election, while Deans is the subject of rumours that she'll seek a Liberal seat in Ontario's October election.

The watchdog group is hoping to draft an ethics code that would set a protocol for councillors who want to leave mid-term.
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Eye on Ottawa's intention is well-founded but misguided, according to a political scientist at the University of Ottawa.
"People can step down for a number of reasons, and I think it would be very difficult to have a binding kind of legislation or municipal ruling that prevented people from leaving office in the middle of their term," said Caroline Andrew.

"The real problem is people's perception that municipal politics is only a mild stepping stone to better things," Andrew said. "Particularly in the big cities, it seems to me that municipal politics is addressing some of the crucial questions."

Bill(2)
04-12-2007, 09:29 PM
OK - the idea has merit, but it all needs to be kept in perspective. I don't know how heavy the workload is in Ottawa - do they have full-time councillors, or like Kingston - are they considered 'part time'?

The fact that councillors may walk - especially now that it is a four year commitment - is an unfortunate reality we need to live with. People quit. Sometimes by choice, sometimes by need. Circumstances will change, personal priorities will be shifted (by you or for you) so there needs to be in place a way of dealing with this.

Which begs the question - what does happen? Does the runner up get sworn in, and so on down the line, or is there a by-election, or do the remaining councillors appoint someone, or is it the Mayor who makes an appointment? Imagine the debate that would cause at Council!:eek:

Back to the main question. Is it something that can be managed by 'ethics' ? Or even should it be? My vote is we need to accept that the councillors will intend to fulfil their terms, but they may not. One thing though .. do they need to resign before the run for another office, or can they wait until they get the job before they quit the old (which also begs the question - can they hold both jobs?):confused:

All in all - more fun than we could have imagined.

Lydia
04-14-2007, 12:34 AM
Very interesting concept, run for an elected office, then decided to run for a higher one and resign the lower political office. To me this is a no-brainer.

If these politicians are so flick who in their right minds would vote them in any politican office. I would think that a person doing that would be commiting political suicide.

Should prove interesting to see who would do such a thing.

Dogma
04-14-2007, 05:09 PM
Is it not true that Flora McDonald our current councilors father and many others between move up in politics?

Good for them. I don't blame them one bit..

Where would you rather work at the start of your "political career"? If your family was behind it.

At least it pays much better! If your going to get crap from the oh so wise public...about municipil affairs, economic development why not get paid for it.

:D:D:D

Lydia
04-14-2007, 06:05 PM
At least it pays much better! If your going to get crap from the oh so wise public...about municipil affairs, economic development why not get paid for it.


I'd rather give crap and get paid for it than have to TAKE crap from those politicans who are only in it for themselves. They also get paid for it as well and much more than the public who pays TAXES for the crap that they get.lmao

Your are hoot Dogma. :D :D

Dogma
04-14-2007, 08:33 PM
All I can say to all this is....well, you & I elect them! (40 % of us anyways)

But, I believe New Zealands electoral "system" and other ideas away from our current electorial process will change the landscape of who and what parties have the power, or clearer who needs to share power.