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03-06-2007, 01:51 PM
Jamie Swift, the author of the followings article provides an alternative view of the LVEC development.

-- Kingston Electors


A revolting development: Big Rink boosters steam-roll over all objections to get it built

Independent Voice - progressive independent community press
By Jamie Swift, March 2007

http://www.independentvoice.ca/images/2007/03/RStephen_LVECSite.jpg
Information about the Big Rink’s cost overruns
was deliberately kept secret until after the
municipal election. (Photo by Renée Stephen)

Once upon a time, during the run-up to an election, a notorious politician got into a quagmire that would eventually drive him from office. Something happened during that 1972 campaign, but the voters didn’t discover it until later.

When the citizens and opposition politicians did learn the truth, even a desperate series of lies and deceptions couldn’t keep the man from having to resign, his integrity shredded. One of his political allies asked the fundamental question. “What did the president know?” demanded one Republican, famously, “And when did he know it?”

The president was Richard Nixon. And the scandal, of course, was Watergate. It was a disgrace of such magnitude that others are routinely labelled with the ominous suffix “-gate.” (Jean Chretien’s Shawinigan shenanigans got the tag Shawinigate.)

Now Kingston has its own mess, with the citizens bitterly divided over how to react to “LVECgate.”

Last month, members of the recently-elected City Council learned that, in the early days of the civic-election campaign, the City received an independent auditor’s report indicating that the LVEC (a.k.a. the Big Rink) was in some trouble. The KPMG report said that the project budget was incomplete and inconsistent with actual commitments, and that the City had insufficient capacity to manage the project. It was an eerie flashback to the same auditor’s similar assessment of the Grand Theatre project earlier last year.

The damning report on the Big Rink arrived at City Hall almost two months before the November election. The crucial information was available to some people before the final contract with Ellis Don was rushed through, before construction on an undersized lot at King and Barrack began.

Instead of letting the voters — who paid for the auditor’s report — know about the crucial fact that the project was already over-budget before anything more than the infamous shovel was in the ground, a person or persons unknown chose to keep it from us. What’s more, it took two months of persistent requests by our current elected representatives, along with the news of a $4.3 million cost overrun to surfacing, to learn of the report.

The question before us is the same one that bedevilled Richard Nixon: What did mayor Harvey Rosen know . . . and when did he know it?

Only Rosen and Glen Laubenstein, the man he hired to run the civil service, can answer that question.


* * *


In the immediate aftermath of this news, the political firestorm over the Big Rink was immediately re-ignited. While many citizens worked themselves into a lather about the possibility that the Big Rink might get killed, others were wondering whether Rosen will eventually go down in history as the Richard Nixon of local politics.

The Build It Now! crowd got into high gear when rookie councillor Vicki Schmolka, worried that Rink costs will escalate further, put forward a motion to cancel it. Schmolka was backed by Bill Glover; both were elected in districts previously represented by Big Rink backers.

As soon as this motion was made, the boosters began a frenzied clamour. I got a flavour of the debate when I listened to a radio broadcast aired on a pop-music station — owned by prominent downtown businessman John Wright, who also owns property adjacent to the Big Rink — that has for years been ridiculing anyone critical of the looming white elephant. (A complaint has finally been filed with the Canadian Radio-Television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC).) Schmolka was discussing the issue with Ken Wong, a longtime Big Rink backer who had served on Rosen’s original quickie task-force that got the project rolling.

(Readers will recall that group of local worthies. They claimed that the Rink could be built for under $30 million if only we sold off the Memorial Centre to developers and dedicated the tax take on the former green-space to building the Rink on the waterfront. Even the former, developer-friendly Council was forced to back away from that scheme, but instead of rethinking the locale they voted to jam it into its current spot to keep its downtown business backers happy. The cost is now $46 million . . . and climbing.)

The debate between Schmolka and Wong was lively. Schmolka, who was labelled an environmental activist by local media and shunned by business interests during the election campaign, argued that the Rink’s spiralling costs will raise taxes. Wong, a business professor who maintained that he already pays more than his share of taxes, disagreed.

“Taxes are not the issue,” he said. “The issue is, frankly, quality of life. This is not a family-friendly place.”

The professor, who hasn’t often been seen at local anti-poverty events, also said that Schmolka’s ideas were “a perfect formula for a cycle of continued poverty” — this in response to her insisting that Kingston needs to concentrate tax dollars on making Kingston a greener place that would attract twenty-first century “Creative Class” jobs [see sidebar].

Schmolka countered by pointing out that, instead of badmouthing Kingston — the business elite still maintains its shopworn line that this is a place that just can’t get anything done — the Big Rink boosters should put their money where their mouths are. They could underwrite the Pentagon-style cost overruns themselves rather than dumping the extra load onto beleaguered citizens.

She suggested that the Springer interests, owners of much downtown property and the local Ontario Hockey Association (OHA) franchise that signed a sweetheart deal with the City as principal Big Rink tenants before the last election, could give up some of the benefits under that contract to help the City manage the costs. The Springers’ response to the renewed controversy was to threaten to take the Frontenacs out of town if their Rink doesn’t get built.

According to Wong, the “problem is management.” He insisted, correctly, that it was unfair to expect an overworked City civil service to manage a complex project on top of all its other responsibilities.

“It’s not a management problem,” responded Schmolka. “It’s an honesty problem,” — this in apparent reference to the Nixonian tactics employed in the run-up to the election. Wong did acknowledge that Kingston now faces a “trust issue.”


* * *


Honesty. Management. Trust. Surely important issues. But the fundamental issue here is politics past, present, and future.

The previous Council was beholden to local developers and big property owners. (Rosen’s contributor list is due to be released by the end of this month.) It managed to ram the Big Rink through at meetings where the boosters showed up in “Build It Now!” T-shirts. We’re about to pay for the rush job.

The Rink — badly located, poorly planned, and shakily financed — will no doubt go ahead despite Schmolka’s motion. People figure the thing is too far along to kill. But interest charges will rise and so will taxes. Parking costs will also jump, menacing the broader downtown. At the time of writing, the design is not even complete and there’s neither site plan approval nor a building permit. No one can guarantee what the final cost will be.

Kingston’s citizens will end up paying even more for a facility that will benefit a favoured few. Boosters like Wong figure that it will be a development catalyst even though more sophisticated urban analysts know that arenas do no such thing. [See sidebar.] So we’re going to be stuck with the thing.

Kingston’s current Council has been handed a poisoned chalice in the form of the Big Rink. It will now be harder for them to find tax dollars for what we really need. Basic infrastructure, both physical (sewers and sidewalks) and social (affordable housing) will get short shrift. Creative green projects that save energy and really do make a community more attractive to investors will be harder to fund. This is unfortunate at best, tragic at worst.

Cities are perfect laboratories for tackling the really important issues. We could be following the example of Utah’s capital, where retiring mayor Rocky Anderson has just completed Salt Lake City Green. The community had aimed to reduce its greenhouse-gas emissions 21 percent below 2001 levels by 2012 — the equivalent of Kyoto. It’s exceeded that goal, six years early. That city is at 148 percent of its goal — a 31 percent reduction below 2001 levels.

So it’s all the more reason for people to start asking Harvey Rosen: What did you know and when did you know it?

Jamie Swift is a regular contributor to Independent Voice.

Sidebar: Stadium economics

During the recent election, Harvey Rosen spoke favourably of the work of urban-affairs theorist Richard Florida. One wonders just how familiar he is with Florida’s work . . .

At a time when genuine political will seems difficult to muster for virtually anything, city after city across the country can generate the political capital to underwrite hundreds of millions of dollars of investment in professional sports stadiums . . . The most recent studies show that stadiums do not generate economic wealth and actually reduce local incomes. And ponder, for a moment, the opportunity costs of these facilities. Imagine what could be accomplished if the hundreds of millions of dollars were spent on university research or other things that actually generate economic wealth — or even the fine-grained neighborhood improvements and lifestyle amenities that attract and retain talented people . . . Why are most civic leaders unable even to imagine devoting those kinds of resources or political will to pursue the things that really matter to their economic future or to people?

— Richard Florida, The Rise of the Creative Class (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/0465024777?ie=UTF8&tag=indepvoice-20&linkCode=as2&camp=15121&creative=330641&creativeASIN=0465024777)

Preferred citation: Jamie Swift, “A revolting development” in Independent Voice, volume XVI, number 2, March 2007. Damian T. Lloyd, editor. Kingston, ON, Canada: PiC Press, 2007

Dogma
03-07-2007, 09:46 AM
Just to remind people, we are indeed drawing from the reserved funds (to help fund) several infrastructure, cultural and civic projects. LEED design buildings meaning (Green designed building)

And that the original LVEC task force "estimated" the basic building with no finished drawings or final environmental costs in this North Block location. Thus the final cost.

Indeed, these are the projects that were identified by the people of the City, council and to be called
upon for the 7 priority projects.

http://www.cityofkingston.ca/cityhall/strategic/seven/

Unfortunately; Mr. Swifts opinions may seem somewhat conveniently persuasive to sell in the Gossip Tabloids,
i.e. (Levac-gate).

But if you check on his tabloid sources, such as Mary Lou Adams (his main expert on LVEC's) ...

She said "I have no experience with LVEC's, neither studied or hands on experience". She also wondered how Swift’s associated members of
KCAL used her "opinion" letter to such a degree to suggest she was an expert.

Swift's "source" conveniently helps sell advertising space in the (free) Independent Voice.

Swift seems to also base his "Big Rink" stories on a bombastic billion dollar baseball stadium, in the slums of New York that he "draws similar comparisons" that little resemble our LVEC, or the business plan, other than public grants and major private investment "conspiracy" to draw from.

His last 6 months of articles, (among many others) only deal with the LVEC, as some sort of "conspiracy".

We wonder why since the other projects of the 7 projects..are the real issue here.

Even Mr. Glover and most of council who hastily revoked their stance on the LVEC.

And now that we have the over runs on The Grand Theatre, and Market Square people and some councilors still
seem to think it’s the LVEC that is making the largest hole in the City's budget. This is just wrong.

Market Square and the Grand have almost doubled their original budgets.

And (these local wish list investments) for these two projects, don't have a business plan and does not allow for a "pay back".

The Grand, and Market Square with their limited usage, high cost and low capacity, low to no ticket revenue are "wisher projects",
spurred by heritage groups limited funding and nostalgic.....dreamy ways.

They may be well meaning - but if you have little money but high risk ventures..you better be prepared to take a (hit) or something out of th r Grand design
or not move ahead at all. Unfortunately, council did not stop these two projects when they should have - at the beginning!

The LVEC (with only 10% overage) will have a much faster pay back, and revenue stream. Its capacity and multipurpose characteristics,
its LEED design for efficiency and its modern long term maintenance free building, allows for a better ROI of our reserve investment.

It also has many more available funding possibilities for private investment than The Grand, or Market Square ever will.

Now, since the Springer donation issue. Who dares wishes to have their name "known" there?

Ravens view was a "legislated" project. Because of Walkerton.

Thus, funding from the Province and the City was needed.

@ $ 125,000,000 this project was the one that costs us the most, and we get "safe water" into the future. It also may come in below budget.

It is just simplistic, if one does not understand or agree with the LVEC, over say Market Square or Grand Theatre, (inwhich Kingston knows what they are)
it is quite another to suggest the LVEC is the "main" draw of reserve funds. THis is just untrue. The Grand and the M. Square - have and will draw - $ 15,000,000 so far. And M. Square has no donation from the springers, or likely anyone now!

Mr. Glover may have this political spin as much as KCAL, but they wish to play politic's with your money!

In fact, it’s the Grand Theatre, Market Square that have been poorly financed from the beginning
... taking larger share of reserves in relation to what they will "pay back" in the long run.

There is little reason to doubt, the short term, long term association with the latter are much more at risk...

And Jamie should acknowledge this. But, he chooses instaed to "sell advertising".

Lydia
03-10-2007, 01:57 PM
Okay, Dogma, the building of an LVEC was never the issue of concern. IT WAS ALWAYS THE WAY THE LAST COUNCIL DID THINGS. They choose to give the staff full control over the handling of this. Some of them think that this is the way things should be done and therefore no micro-manageing of staff or projects. They choose to do things their way because they were elected.

Example of the disrespect these councilors have for the people of this city. We ELECTED them to MANAGE PROJECTS AND TO MANAGE OUR TAX DOLLARS. These councilors CHOOSE TO HIDE reports that didn't favour this development UNTIL things were cleared up. THESE COUNCILORS CHOOSE TO HIDE and not disclose the true costs. THESE COUNCILORS ARE responsible for the disgrace that this city faces.

Since these councilors have proven that they don't want to MANAGE things then I suggest that the RESIGN WITH DISGRACE.

Finally we have a council which will WORK WITH STAFF instead of hide details. We finally have a council which will work and UNDERSTAND your financial business plans that you consistantly told us about. You kept saying read the business plan, read the business plan, I kept telling you I did read the business plan and I told you that you didn't facture enought unforeseen items in that business plan.

Now I don't know Jamie Swift personally. However, I must admit that he does present points of interest just like you do.

When Leonore says stuff like we need to have a councilor at large be elected, I wonder if she really means, we need to get a councilor WHICH DOESN'T REPRESENT THEIR DISTRICT and that her friends could tell the rest of this city what to do. She knew what the accounting firm they hired had to say about the issues of the LVEC before elections. How open was she about the truth of this project??

I remember when she was AGAINST a referendum on this issue. I actually agreed with her when I said that we should not need a referendum on projects. Now that Leonore, Ed, and Harvey can't be trusted to INFORM people about the truth of projects, I have changed my mind. When a city is SO divided on a project, a referendum might very well be needed on ALL projects that they ENDORSE.

This LVEC is being build to house the Frontenacs. I find it interest in known that this team isn't even good enough to win games that Barrie wins. BIG DEAL, they can skate but they sure don't play hockey all that well.

Sorry Dogma, I understand that the LVEC is your main project that you endorse. I am not trying to put you down for this. I am however, really ticked right off at the three stooges that call themselves responsible councilors who HIDE THINGS.

Dogma
03-10-2007, 02:47 PM
Lydia;


I like you CAPS. But, it make the statements a wee strong...

I would agree with you though on some of the overall issues.

I have also told the City (I emailed Rosen on this) THEY SHOULD have had one person to represent (liaison) between the 7 projects and the public.

Someone (like) a councilor, but not a political figure of (one) district.

Paid from (all) of the projects to organize public meetings, answer relevant and (not so relevant questions) and to generally be the " official communication officer". This was lacking for so many pent up "public building projects" that have suddenly sent Kingston into a "progressive spending mode". At probably not the best time.

But, this officer - would have put a better face on Market Square, Grand Theatre and of course the "underly understood" LVEC. No matter if one reads the entire reports or not. Unlike you...I believe most did not!

The City unresponsive or lack of communication has been their biggest blunder.

From (so called) assume land and business connections to closed-door strategies...this town, or its papers - would just persume.

I would also suggest gave many (including Mr. Swift) and naysayers groups the fuel to their "conspiracy theory". Which leans to their sympathies..which is perfectly reasonable with the info they had!

And frankly, I saw this would happen.

I have just been struggling to clear up a few misconceptions..f
rom my experience with such venues.

I also wrote a letter into the Whig at the first months the LVEC was being looked into.

Suggesting that Kingston's LVEC could never and will never bring in trade shows (like the Auto, Sportsman and larger events) that would be the facilities "bread and butter" or main funding resource.

I see this facility as a very small facility, (as it truely is) thus it will only be able to "develop small to medium size events, shows concerts etc."

Unfortunately, this seems to have been missed by the Whig through the rest of the past 3 years...- the main source for LVEC info for the lay people of LVEC's.

...so there is still unrealistic expectations, or "theories" being assumed on both sides of the issue.

The long term lease on the Memorial Center by the Agricultural Society, the
aging infrastructure at the Center, unsafe conditions to insurance and liability issues the City now faces, all pointed to a new updated facility for both entertainment and economic development purposes.

This all seems reasonable to me. There are many things we are use to in this country from second hand smoke, to polar bear swims that are all banned directly resulting from insurance, lawyers and citizens unwilling to "keep things as they are". Canada, North America needs to grow up in many ways. The environment to energy and land use are all issues well past dealing with here.

I fully agree a referendum (was more of a result) of this lack of communication on all fronts.

But,

The Grand Theatre, Market square is the real culprit on the reserve fund. They have doubled (doubled in costs) and have little revenue to pay back the reserve funds. The LVEC is 10% over maybe more sure...but it has the revenue structure and built in maintenance stream for ROI. The others do not. So, you say 12 million over for M Square and Grand - how long do you think this debenture will take to ROI. ?

I really see the issues around these last two the culprits, but because the communication officer was silent with info, and so called reports the budget was a little over on the LVEC (around election time) everyone of the nay group takes this as another (major LVEC conspiracy)

I see it "maybe a little more reasonable - from one that may follow these projects with feet and experience firmly planted in the ground. At least I hope I do. And I have little to gain.

I was accused the other day - that I will somehow benefit form this LVEC venture. I doubt the size or number of these events, and the insurance costs,
I would have to pay to do business in this facility will pay for itself or maybe just break even. But, it seemed that the person or persons does not or wish
to understand my position. It just seemed that anyone for the LVEC, or has some affiliation with it....is suspect. (Conspiracy)

I find this telling. And frankly inline with what you had said: That some file, or report was "hidden" again - this has not been proven, it is rather unsubstantiated..and should be duly noted. This is the last thing we need. Is MORE misinformation.

But, as you said this council is left with uncovering the non cover-up. Just the lack of communication from the very beginning. I truly wish the staff well; it must be a tough job working for the City and the layers of politics’ and public scrutiny to get anything through!

Bill(2)
03-10-2007, 05:29 PM
Okay, Dogma, the building of an LVEC was never the issue of concern. IT WAS ALWAYS THE WAY THE LAST COUNCIL DID THINGS. They choose to give the staff full control over the handling of this. Some of them think that this is the way things should be done and therefore no micro-manageing of staff or projects. They choose to do things their way because they were elected.

Example of the disrespect these councilors have for the people of this city. We ELECTED them to MANAGE PROJECTS AND TO MANAGE OUR TAX DOLLARS. These councilors CHOOSE TO HIDE reports that didn't favour this development UNTIL things were cleared up. THESE COUNCILORS CHOOSE TO HIDE and not disclose the true costs. THESE COUNCILORS ARE responsible for the disgrace that this city faces.

Lydia, I cannot concur with the point you are working to establish. As I mentioned in other threads, management styles change based on the needs. One of the styles is micro-management, or not - depending on the situation. I also take exception to the statement that councillors chose to hide reports not in favour of their viewpoints. This has not been proved, and until it is everyone and anyone stating so as fact is out of line. Support your position with facts, or else declare your statements as unsubstantiated opinions.:mad:

Lydia
03-10-2007, 07:16 PM
Sorry, Bill, I am just responding to what the Kingston Whig newspaper has reported publicly. That the advise that the accounting firm, hired by the city was known before the election but never disclosed until recently.

I do not believe that the Whig has anything to hide or emblish. However, If they have, then I will retrack my comments and will apologize for mine.

I do not wish to offend anyone, not even the older councilors. My only wish is that this kind of situation never ever happens again.

I also believe that dispite our different styles of saying the same things we are in agreement on 99% of our different discussions.

Just to let you know, I have been asked to Chair the Loyalist Catarqui Community Assocition which has been newly formed by Robert Matheson. I want to have people like you and Dogma be involved with it and not afraid to agree to disagree on topics. I am hoping that rather than the residents in my district not having a voice on issues that we can make a different without blaming or putting others down.

My motto has always been the same as Dr. Phil's " No matter how you have it a flat pancake has two sides". Mine is No matter what project you have, it has a positive and negative side. We will need to address both sides to really know what we need or even want in our district. It is the resident's responsiblity to inform our elected represenatives what we want and why.

As an accountant, you will always know where you stand if you follow the money trail.

Again Bill, I do not wish to offend and I appreciate you address this with me.

Dogma
03-11-2007, 09:46 AM
Lydia;

You sound like a politician! Enjoy the Chair. And best of luck.

I know many accountants, and if they only knew how to construct more than an income statement, the construction world would be a more frugal place.

Lydia
03-11-2007, 01:03 PM
Hell no, I am not a politician at all, just an ordinary pain. Hay Watch It and thank you Dogma. I hope I can count on you straightening me out on things as we go along with the Loyalist Cataraqui Community Association and I know you will. :)

You are correct about accountants constructing stuff. That is exactly WHY we are accountants, we leave the heavy stuff to people like you lol lo.

I fully understand the roles that the Engineering profession, the Accounting profession, and the Business profession have in working together. THEY DON'T:D :D :D However, when they do, It is magnificent and the economy thrives and makes society great. Believe it or not, these professions do come together when it actually counts.

You know Dogma, something like, You, Me, and Council or Municipal, Provincial and Federal Government Representatives. :D :D

Dogma
03-11-2007, 06:48 PM
Hopefully; your commitee will be no larger than 7 persons....and if you do a newsletter, make them semi or quarterly (at most).

Here maybe some web sites of possible interest.

http://www.neighbourtoneighbour.ca/tips.asp

http://www.hcf.on.ca/pages/grants/neighbourhood/neighapplicants.htm

Lydia
03-11-2007, 07:28 PM
I knew I could count on you, Thank you Dogma. You are correct 7 is more than enough.lol lol

What do you think of having 410 street representatives??? lol lol The old concept of I tell 10 people, They
tell 10 People and they all tell 40 people each lol lol At that rate we don't even need a newspaper JOKING. lol lol

Bill(2)
03-12-2007, 12:36 PM
Sorry, Bill, I am just responding to what the Kingston Whig newspaper has reported publicly. That the advise that the accounting firm, hired by the city was known before the election but never disclosed until recently.

......

Again Bill, I do not wish to offend and I appreciate you address this with me.

Hello Lydia: Perhaps it is in the interpretation of how 'facts' are presented. Basically, the advise of the accounting firm may have been known by the city, but that may not (and indications are did not) include the political portions, just the staff. And, as I had mentioned earlier, as a manager myself I would then take the audit report and prepare a response including action plans (or taken already) to remedy the findings. That to me is efficient staff work. Throw into the mix that we do not know the detailed report (as it should be) contents because they may identify one particular individual (or group of individuals) that if it became public could land the City in court.

My words may have been harsher than intended. I don't always take time to write things in draft form and then revisit before posting. Offended would not be the word, but more disappointed and annoyed at time with inferences (intended or accidental) made without substantiation. Rumours - they will be the death of us all I suppose:p And don't forget the rule about rumours: If you haven't heard a good one by 10:30, start one!:rolleyes:

Lydia
03-12-2007, 08:44 PM
Sorry Bill, I hate them as well. lol Might spread one but never start one. I'm not that good lol lol

ARe you sure you are not related to Dogma? He hates them as well. lol lol

Bill(2)
03-13-2007, 10:41 PM
Dogma won't tell me who he is (or she) is, so I have no idea as to relationship.

Dogma
03-13-2007, 10:46 PM
What were we talking about?

I'm lost..now.

Bill(2)
03-13-2007, 10:58 PM
Well, it seems that Lydia thinks that we are related in some way form shape or other consideration.

Lydia
03-14-2007, 01:33 AM
Hell, we are all related, might as well be, we fight like brothers and sisters lol lol

Dogma
03-14-2007, 09:20 AM
Related...hmmmm I don't think so.

It maybe because of our similar critical thinking and business management experience maybe showing in some threads?

I am getting bored of this thread though can someone start one on:

"employment, career options for Kingston future"?

Thanks.

Lydia
03-14-2007, 12:36 PM
Yes Dogma, You can start a thread by contact the moderator on here and requesting one. Juct Click on the tab above that says "CONTACT US" and you will be see an e-mail screen. Fill it in on the subject you wish.

Bill(2)
03-14-2007, 03:05 PM
am getting bored of this thread though can someone start one on:

"employment, career options for Kingston future"?


Bored? with this? How could you?

You can start a thread anytime. Just pick the category. If you want to start a category, contact the moderator.

Lydia
03-14-2007, 06:33 PM
Can you imagine, Bored of this stuff. lol lol.

Bill, you and I need to stir Dogma up lol. Then it won't be boring at all. lol lol

:eek: :eek: Bored:eek: :eek:

Dogma
03-15-2007, 09:42 AM
www.cityofkingston.ca/cityhall/lvec/ModelGallery_B.asp (http://www.cityofkingston.ca/cityhall/lvec/ModelGallery_B.asp)#

LVEC location - perfect....if Basic's moves to better location!

As we have always said - the long term plan would be that Basic's
COULD be associated as an "extension" facility for the LVEC.


In fact; like the TICC (Toronto International Convention Center) the Basic's location, with its existing building and additional parking is a viable and well purposed facility for any expansion for fairs, events and conferences.

Multipurpose facility.

Indeed, the Good Life Building could also be utilized in the future.

Most Conference Centers have "multiple buildings" located within walking distance.

Hanover, Germany the largest "Messe" in Europe, has multiple buildings.

We have discussed this before...so why be surprised?????

Maybe some of the downtown folks would not like the Basics moving out of their neighbourhood...but.

ouwww..I'm getting pumped again....Lydia!

BornAndRaised
03-15-2007, 11:02 AM
Whooah, Hey Hey Hey..........Wait a minute here, were going to have to get someone else on here to start debating since the three of you are starting to see things the same way LOL :>. This might be a little far fetched......but I hope the council could see this relationship and make some leaps and bounds to put the past behind them and start working together to be more constructive in the future. Time will tell. I thought that the thread about the new council position(s) is getting quite interesting.

Dogma
03-15-2007, 01:52 PM
What do you say to a group hug, Born..?

:D

Lydia
03-16-2007, 02:02 AM
See miracles DO HAPPEN lol lol.

I agree that the three of us and YOU can agree and work together. We all see things differently and that will always be my position. We all have views that make things interesting and vital.

Hay Dogma when you hug someone you don't touch their throats lol lol. Mine is starting to hurt. lol lol.

Dogma
03-17-2007, 08:38 PM
This is a brief update on the Kingston Regional Sports and Entertainment Centre.

These updates will be issued to you on a monthly basis and can be used for circulation to your membership.

Construction Update

Work continues on the concrete foundations and core walls, which includes formwork and rebar. EllisDon is also working on underground plumbing which should be completed in April 2007. Steel for the shell of the centre began to go up in February and is scheduled to be completed in June 2007.

The substantial completion is planned for December 2007. Beginning in December Arcturus/SMG will require a few weeks after occupancy to install and test all equipment as well as to train staff. The first Kingston Frontenacs game is planned for Jan. 18, 2008. Confirmation of OHL schedule will be provided in April.

The Cataraqui Archaeological Research Foundation (CARF) is finalizing monitoring in the north east corner of the site. Monitoring should be completed by the end of March 2007 and will conclude CARF's involvement with this project.

Environmental work on site has been completed and Pinchin Environment and Scott Industrial will only be involved as required.
Budget

In February, Council approved an additional $4.3 million for the sports and entertainment centre. The project budget is now $46.1 million. These additional funds will ensure the completion of all areas within the centre which will include 29 suites, including a community suite, 5,000 seats, up to four meeting rooms, a sports café and restaurant areas. It will also become the new home of the Kingston Frontenacs and the Kingston District Sports Hall of Fame.
Parking and Accessibility

On Feb. 27, Council approved the parking and accessibility recommendations brought forth by the Municipal Accessibility Committee. The recommendations appeared in the February update.
Fundraising Campaign

The city is prepared to accept donations beginning immediately. In addition, the community fundraising campaign will officially kick off the week of March 26 once plans are finalized. The goal is to raise a minimum of $2 million towards the construction of the sports and entertainment centre. In the meantime, members of the community can make their pledges at the payment centre at City Hall. Income tax receipts will be provided for all donations of over $10. Various activities will be planned over the coming months to encourage community participation in the campaign.
Suite Lottery

A suite lottery will be held on March 21 at Fort Frontenac. The facility has 26 suites available for lease. The City has received 43 deposits form interested individuals/companies. This week the individuals and companies that have provided a deposit will receive an information package about the suites. Arcturus/SMG, Operator of the facility, is leading this process. For any questions in regards to suite sale, contact Neil Shorthouse at 613-449-3906.
Naming Rights

A Request for Expression of Interest for the naming rights of the centre appeared in the Whig Standard and the Kingston This Week. Local companies have until March 31 to contact Wakeham and Associates Marketing to express their interest in purchasing the name for the Sports and Entertainment Centre.
Contact

If you have any questions regarding the Kingston Regional Sports and Entertainment Centre please contact Lanie Hurdle, director of project development at 613-546-4291 ext. 1231 or by e-mail at lhurdle@cityofkingston.ca.

Lydia
03-18-2007, 10:13 AM
Thanks Dogma, This is what the public needs to appreciate what is happening on this project. Good Work

Keep this type of information flowing.

Lydia
03-18-2007, 03:19 PM
Sorry Folks just checking