Have Your Multiplex - Say on The Need for New Aquatic Facilities, November 1/2, 2006

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City of Kingston

For Immediate Release
Oct. 24, 2006, 11:00 a.m.

For further information contact:
Barclay Mayhew, Director, Project Development, Sustainability and Growth Group, 613-546-4291, ext. 1350;
The City of Kingston's media hotline is 613-546-4291, ext. 2300.


Have Your Say On The Need For New Aquatic Facilities

Public meetings will be held on Nov. 1 and Nov. 2 to gather community input on the need for new aquatic facilities in the City of Kingston.

The City of Kingston is undertaking an aquatic feasibility study to identify community interest and need for additional aquatic facilities in the city. The study is being carried out by dmA Planning and Management. The purpose of the study is to identify the level and type of aquatic facilities needed, target markets, the role of the City and possible partnerships.

Both meetings will include a half-hour presentation by the consultant, followed by an opportunity for the public to ask questions and comment. Information from these discussions, along with input from a variety of aquatic user groups, will be incorporated into the assessment.

Community participation is a key part of completing the study. If you have an interest, come out to public meetings planned for:

* Wednesday, Nov. 1, 7 p.m. - Cataraqui Community Centre, Sunnyside Hall
* Thursday, Nov. 2, 7 p.m. - Artillery Park Aquatic Centre, Room C


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[Lydia]

Multiplex Newsletter

Barclay Mayhew, Director, Project Development
City of Kingston-Sustainability and Growth 216 Ontario Street Kingston K7L 2Z3
(613) 546-4291 ext.1350

March 8, 2007 Issue #12


Construction
In February, the planning department approved the Site Plan for the Multiplex Community Centre.

The steel structure for the east side of the facility (ice pads one and four) was delivered, assembled and now stands. This is what you will see if you drive by the site at Gardiners Road and Fortune Crescent .

The steel structure for west side of the facility (ice pads two and three) was delivered earlier this week. This structure will begin to rise the week of March 19.

Renderings of the Multiplex Community Centre will be displayed throughout municipal arenas in the coming weeks. These will include the plan for the site, an overview of the facility, perspectives of the first and second floors as well as detailed floor plans.

Completion

The substantial completion is scheduled for March 29, 2008, as outlined in the construction contract signed with Peak Engineering on Nov. 22, 2006. At that time, the construction schedule was reviewed and revised with a change in the opening date that did not impact the project budget and which was intended to help avoid operational costs with regard to preparing the facility and staff for opening. After substantial completion, staff training on equipment and new systems will take place, final inspections will be done by appropriate agencies (Kingston Fire and Rescue, KFL&A Public Health, etc.), any deficiencies will be addressed and the facility will be cleaned prior to handing the building over to the owner. The City website is being updated to reflect this time frame. Early negotiations prior to the Nov. 22 contract signing had suggested that the facility might be open in a time frame that would allow for the hosting of the Kids for Kids Tournament. Organizers of that event have been informed that the Multiplex will not be available for the 2008 event, and talks are under way for 2009.


Operations, Marketing and Naming Rights

Staff is beginning to draft requests for proposal (rfp) for beverage product sales, concessions and the pro shop. The (rfp) will be advertised in April.

Project staff has retained the services of Wakeham and Associates to lead the selection of a major naming rights sponsor for the facility or naming of one of the four ice pads within the complex. Once the expression of interest is advertised, companies interested in holding the naming rights for the Multiplex will have one month to submit their proposals. The expression of interest document will be prepared by Wakeham and Associates to ensure that it meets sponsorship and advertising industry standards.

These proposals will be reviewed based on criteria developed by Wakeham and Associates. The criteria will also be provided to council for information prior to the awarding of naming rights.

Wakeham and Associates will then contact and initiate negotiations with companies that meet the criteria.

Once negotiations are completed, Wakeham and Associates will present a detailed report with a recommended company for City Council’s approval.

Internal advertising including rink boards, ice resurfacers, score clocks and back lit signs will be the responsibility of project staff and this initiative will begin in June 2007.

Accessibility

City staff and BBA Architects have worked to ensure that the Multiplex Community Centre is barrier-free throughout. There are 20 accessible parking spaces, a companion washroom on the first floor, all dressing rooms will be barrier-free, and outlets for recharging scooters have been located throughout the facility, including inside each ice pad. Staff and the design/build team have also met with sound experts to ensure the public address system is designed to meet the needs of the hearing impaired. These accessible features have been presented to Municipal Accessibility Committee’s, Working Group.

[Lydia]

An excellent piece that Jordon Press did:

50-metre pool makes a splash; Council votes to examine facility

Jordan Press
Local News - Thursday, May 17, 2007 @ 00:00

A 50-metre pool, it is. With the exception of one councillor, city council has voted to study building a 50-metre pool in Kingston, rather than two 25-metre pools recommended by a consultant.

Councillors voted 11-1 to pass a recommendation from a city committee that staff develop "options and a work plan ... for the development of an aquatic centre to be used for recreational and competitive purposes with a 50-metre pool with bulkheads."

Councillor Ed Smith was the lone dissenter. Smith said councillors needed more information, such as business plans from other facilities, to see how they make out financially.

"It's not that I'm not for or against a 50-metre pool. What I am for is getting all the facts," Smith said yesterday.

"It boggles the mind that we would make this decision this early on."

Alex Palilionis, who heads a group that has lobbied for a 50-metre pool, said he could understand concerns like the ones Smith raised, but was happy council recognized a 50-metre pool was the right option for Kingston.

"I'm feeling [exuberant] right now that after three years of bringing this forward ... this has been recognized by council," he said yesterday.

On Tuesday night, city staff asked councillors to give clear direction on what type of facility they wanted to see.
Commissioner of growth Cynthia Beach said even though the city wasn't starting to dig, "we do need to make decisions."

Many councillors around the chamber favoured a 50-metre pool, but wanted more information.

Councillor Dorothy Hector said she wants to know all the risks involved in having the larger pool.

Councillor Lisa Osanic said instead of spending money twice - a consultant's report recommended building a 25-metre pool now and then another in 2016 - the city could spend it once on a 50-metre pool to meet those needs.

"Hockey rinks ... we have it covered," she said, referring to the west-end four-pad multiplex. "Pools ... we're working on it."

She said it's easy to find 25-metre pools, but a 50-metre pool is rare. Having one in Kingston would help elite athletes in training, she said.

Councillor Mark Gerretsen said the question is one of economic spinoff - and that means building a 50-metre pool. A 50-metre pool is what residents want, he added.

"What does the community want? Two 25-metre pools? I don't think so," he said.

Councillor Rob Hutchison said it seemed council had made up its mind before seeing all the options.

"We said we really wanted options, and now you're saying you don't," he said.

Hutchison said he wants to see a facility that recreational users would use. A 50-metre is more for competitors - a small portion of the population, he noted - but added he wasn't opposed to a 50-metre pool.

"I just want it to be proved to me," Hutchison said. "That's what I'm looking for."

Councillor Bill Glover said, based on the consultant's report, two 25-metre pools is the way to go. Glover, who chairs the committee overseeing the pool debate, said there is a belief in the community that the consultants were biased towards two 25-metre pools.

Wendy Donovan, a principal with dmA Planning consultants, said the recommendation was based on the analysis her company did of user groups and individuals in Kingston.

"I have no bias against any kind of pool," she said. "It was the recommendation based on our analysis.

"If you want to use a pool for fitness swimming ... or fun, you would not need a 50-metre pool."

She said dmA just wants to move on with the rest of the study to see what should be in the facility.

"If you try to do too much in a pool, nobody will be happy," she said.

Councillor Rob Matheson said his gut feeling was a 50-metre pool was the right thing to do.

But, he added, the city can't rely on gut feeling alone: the pros and cons of each facility should be assessed, he said.

Hector said the city needed to look at every option to make sure tax dollars were being properly spent. It would mean "no one could say ever that it was our fault, that we didn't weigh the pros and cons," Hector said.

The consultants noted it could cost up to $20 million to build a 50-metre pool, as opposed to about $8 million for a 25-metre pool.

An amendment to investigate the options of a 25-metre pool lost on a tie vote. Staff will look into a 50-metre pool with more than one bulkhead that could divide the pool into various sections for different activities.

Palilionis said groups will have to compromise about what will be in the facility, such as a warm-water, wade-in pool for toddlers.

"Those things have to be considered, put on the table and designed within that facility," he said. "I think it can be all accommodated. It's not just a 50 metre pool." jpress@thewhig.com

[Dogma]

I can only comment has any council visited any of these pools?

There are multipurpose pools in Ottawa, Toronto that include water slides, wading pools for family and child, warm water theropy pool area, and general recreational swimming / lane swimming pool options. (All in the same facility) These types of pools are the standard now.

This type of pools we need.

Not competitve "interest group" pools.

Queens I believe may need one but we do not!

The 50 meter pool is just silly for our tax money.

[Lydia]

Dogma, I would agree with you only IF I was concerned with myself. I see this 50 meter Pool being ADDED to the Multiplex as an ADDED value. We need people willing or even wanting to come to this city.

One moment we say we need tourist dollars and then when there is a way, we then say no. Which is it????

Sorry, I want this city to start MAKING MONEY instead of taking my taxes. Do I think I will have to use tax dollars on this pool. Hell yes, but I also think the type of pools you are talking about will also cost us tax dollars.

[Lydia]

Councillors were clearly eager to show the people that they listen.
They certainly listened to the vocal group who made a splash over the longer pool. They listened less closely, however, to the consultants carrying out the feasibility study, whose surveys found that a majority of residents believe the city needs new aquatic facilities in two or more locations, which a 50-metre pool rules out.

Recently I read the above paragraph in the Whig. As I read this, I became very happy and encouraged by our Councilors. The question came to my mind is this:

Should these councilors listen to these wonderful consultants who advised this city about such projects as the Market Square, Grand Theatre, LVEC (sorry Dogma) Tall Ships, etc? Or should these Councilors have their own MINDS and listen to BOTH these consultants AND the residents of this city.

As I see it these new councilors are the best group of councilors I have seen in the last 8 years that I have been here. If these councilors are in favour of the 50 meter pool, they have THEIR OWN VIEWS and reasons because THEY LISTENED to the people who are for and against the 50 meter pool.

I know 100% that my council did because in the Loyalist Cataraqui Community Association meeting our group presented both views. What ever Robert decides to do is 100% A-okay with me. I also know that these councilors are just as informed as my councilor is.

[Dogma]

The 50 meter pool is not for general tourism. (Maybe sport tourism?) although tourism is dropping because of the high dollar and security - along with public will not be using it during peak season.

And I would suggest for the groups that use this type of pool on a regular basis they should pay for its use. With global warming these pools will become very popular - I would suggest these pools be in two plaves not one.

[Lydia]

This is a brief update on the Multiplex. These updates will be issued to you on a monthly basis and can be used for circulation to your membership.

Construction
The main concourse is beginning to take shape with the installation of forms for the second floor pre-cast materials. Landscaping work has started with the placement of topsoil and the delivery and placement of trees and shrubs.

In the east side of the facility the dressing room floors are being poured and cement walkways are being formed and poured around the ice surface area starting in rink #1. The stands in rinks 1 and 4 are starting to take shape with the installation of the pre-cast hollow slabs.

Operations, marketing and naming rights
The RFP for the Pro Shop closed June 27th and a report to award the contract will be going to Council in the near future.

Sports Tourism - Staff and representatives from KEDCO continue to meet with respect to sports tourism and how we can work together on two fronts:
1) to work with local groups with the KEDCO “Plan & Play” program to encourage our local groups to expand their tournament and program offerings,
2) to attract provincial, national & international competitions in both traditional and non-traditional sporting events.

Contact
If you have any questions regarding the Multiplex Community Centre please contact Barclay Mayhew, Director, Project Development 613-546-4291 ext. 1350 or by email at bmayhew@cityofkingston.ca.

[Lydia]

This is a brief update on the Multiplex. These updates will be issued to you on a monthly basis and can be used for circulation to your membership.

Construction
Refrigeration and generator units are on site and work has started readying the floors for underground piping.

Masonry work continues and the second floor meeting rooms and offices are complete. The pouring of the second floor is currently in process.

Steel is being erected for the ice resurfacer rooms, electrical/mechanical rooms and the Voyageurs dressing rooms.

Operations, marketing and naming rights
Contracts have been awarded to Proshop Graphics and Coco Cola for the operation of the ProShop and supply of beverages.

A newspaper advertisement for the RFP for the concession operator will be posted Tuesday August 14, 2007.

The RFP for the operation of the Fitness Facility as well as an ad to individuals and business groups interested in the Naming Rights for the arena and the four rinks will be advertised within the next month.

The Kingston Kimco Voyageurs have signed a long term agreement with the City and are excited to continue their 30 year history of playing hockey in the new Multiplex facility.

Staff continues to meet with user groups to discuss their needs for ice time for the 2008-2009 season.

Contact
If you have any questions regarding the Multiplex Community Centre please contact Barclay Mayhew, Director, Project Development 613-546-4291 ext. 1350 or by email at bmayhew@cityofkingston.ca.

[Lydia]

This is a brief update on the Multiplex. These updates will be issued to you on a monthly basis and can be used for circulation to your membership.

Construction

Structural slabs were completed in August along with the forming of the canopy foundations. Construction of conventional steel in the main corridor is starting in early September.

Pouring of rink surrounds is complete in rinks 1 and 4 with rink floors beginning to take shape with the installation of refrigeration pipes in both. Forming and pouring of the rink surround in rink 2 has begun. Pouring of the floors is scheduled to begin in early October with rink 1.

The refrigeration and cooling units have arrived on site and are in place.

Masonry work continues on the garbage, ice resurfacer, mechanical, electrical and Voyageurs dressing rooms.

Contracts for the supply and installation of scoreboards and dasher boards have been awarded by the contractor.

Operations, marketing and naming rights

The RFP for the concession operator closed on September 5, 2007. Separate tenders will be issued for the supply of the concession equipment. Ads for the RFP for the operation of the Fitness facility and for individuals/businesses interested in naming rights for the arena or the four rinks will appear in the local paper in September.

Information pamphlets about the Multiplex will be available on September 7 and 8 at the 2007 Fall/Winter Leisure Showcase at Portsmouth Olympic Harbour.

Contact
If you have any questions regarding the Multiplex Community Centre please contact Barclay Mayhew, Director, Project Development 613-546-4291 ext. 1350 or by email at bmayhew@cityofkingston.ca.

[Dogma]

Aging rinks dig into multiplex money: report

Posted By The Whig-Standard

Posted 9 hours ago

Keeping the ice surfaces at three aging arenas will mean the newest
hockey facility in town won't make the money it's supposed to, according
to a budget report to councillors.

Tonight, councillors will hear more about a memorandum from city staff
about cash flows for the west-end multiplex.

The business plan for the four-pad hockey facility has the centre earning $1.4 million a year and increasing with inflation to pay off $19 million in debt.

Maintaining 11 hockey rinks instead of the eight envisioned in the
business plan means the multiplex will be short about $130,000 in the
first full year of operations in 2009, the report showed.

It will earn $1.4 million in 2010, but that will still be short the estimated
two-per-cent rate of inflation.

Earlier this year, city council voted to keep Harold Harvey Arena open
for hockey to give the Church Athletic League a home. The league had
wanted to stay at the arena that was slated to lose its ice surface.

Wally Elmer Arena was also slated to lose its rink, but council voted to
keep it. Council delayed closing Cooks Brothers Arena until the spring
of 2008.

All decisions, staff wrote, had an impact on how much the $33.6-million
multiplex would earn.

The three rinks were to lose their ice rinks and their hockey teams
shifted to ice time at the multiplex on Fortune Crescent, near Gardiners
Road and Highway 401.

Council is to hear an overview of the budget for all city arenas tonight
when it reconvenes for budget talks. Deliberations are to take place
next week on what items will be in and what will be removed from the budget.

Staff have proposed a $259.4 million operating budget and a $66.5
million capital budget for 2008. The budget takes into account a 3.5 per
cent tax increase, but that may increase based on how much additional
spending councillors approve for the city's operating budget.

[Lydia]

This is a brief update on the Multiplex. These updates will be issued to you on a monthly basis and can be used for circulation to your membership.

Construction
We are in the last few months of construction and are still on track for the substantial completion deadline of March 28, 2008. Exterior panels are in the process of being completed. Temporary heat is on in most construction areas so that finishing work such as painting, and placing of ceramic floor tiles in the dressing rooms can continue. Installation of exterior windows continues.
The pour for rink #2 is scheduled for Jan. 8 and rink #3 will be poured later in January.

Operations, marketing and naming rights
The deadline for interested parties to submit proposals for the design and installation of the Way Finding signage has been extended until Jan. 23, 2008.

Evaluations of the RFPs for the operation of the Fitness Centre are in their final phases and a recommendation to Council will be made shortly.

Work is well underway on securing naming rights and advertising opportunities and we hope to bring recommendations to Council in February. There are limited opportunities and interested parties should contact Barclay Mayhew, Director Project Development by the end of January if they wish to take advantage.

The Ice Allocation policy is going to the Arts, Recreation and Community Policies Committee on Jan. 24 for approval. This will allow us to implement the policy for the 2008/2009 season.

Grand Opening
Staff are meeting to schedule and begin planning the grand opening events. Stay tuned for details regarding the grand opening.

If you have any questions regarding the Multiplex Community Centre please contact Barclay Mayhew, Director, Project Development 613-546-4291 ext. 1350 or by email at bmayhew@cityofkingston.ca.

[Lydia]

This is a brief update on the Multiplex. These updates will be issued to you on a monthly basis and can be used for circulation to your membership.

Construction
The project is still on track for substantial completion of March 28, 2008. Installation of the exterior panels is complete and exterior glazing is in the final stages. Some exterior elements such as the paving of the parking lot and final landscaping will be done in early spring.

The concrete floors for rinks # 2 and # 3 were poured in January completing the arena flooring. In the next few weeks, the dasher boards for rink # 1 and the score clocks for all rinks will be installed.
Interior finish work has begun with the painting of the walls in rink # 1. Installation of the terrazzo floors on the second floor is in the final stages and work will start on the first floor in early February. The rubber floor tile has started in the dressing rooms for rink #1 and rink #4.

Operations, marketing and naming rights
The RFP for the Way Finding signage closed January 23, 2008. Five (5) proposals have been received and the evaluation process is underway.

Work on naming rights for the building is in the final stages and we will bring a report to Council detailing the financial elements of the naming rights package. Exciting advertising opportunities exist using the state of the art digital signage. An advertising information package is being prepared to use as a marketing tool with prospective clients.

The Ice Allocation policy has been finalized and will be brought to Council for approval at the February 19 meeting. This will allow us to implement the policy for the 2008/2009 season.

The Multiplex will be the new host of the Leisure Show starting with the Fall Showcase in September. Staff are excited about this opportunity and are putting on their creative hats to take advantage of the space.

Grand Opening
Planning meetings for grand opening events continue. Stay tuned for more details in the upcoming issues.

If you have any questions regarding the Multiplex Community Centre please contact Barclay Mayhew, Director, Project Development 613-546-4291 ext. 1350 or by email at bmayhew@cityofkingston.ca.

[Lydia]

This is a brief update on the Multiplex. These updates will be issued to you on a monthly basis and can be used for circulation to your membership.

Construction
The site is a bee hive of activity and construction trades are hard at work as we enter the final weeks until substantial completion. The dasher boards are complete in rinks # 1 and #4 and installation is underway in rink # 2. Seats were delivered on site in the first week in March and installation is starting. Terrazzo floor installation is continuing. The main floor is taking on a new look with the construction of both sets of main stairwells.
Glazing installation and painting throughout the facility continues. Installation of interior door hardware has started.
Construction crews will be on site until early May to complete some exterior elements such as the paving of the parking lot and final landscaping.

Operations, marketing and naming rights
A local firm, Gorway Group, has been awarded the contract for Way finding signage. Ongoing meetings are being held with the Accessibility Committee.

Hendrix Hotel & Restaurant Equipment & Supplies was the successful bidder for the provision of the concession equipment.

Naming Rights for the complex as well as the sponsorships for the individual rinks should be finalized in April as Wakeham & Associates are currently doing final interviews.

Regional Life Safety Design & Consulting Inc has been engaged to complete the fire safety plan and everything is on track to receive occupancy permits.

The Ice Allocation policy and guidelines was approved by Council in February and copies are available at the booking office as well as on the city web site. Bookings are going well. One ice pad will be operational in June increasing to three for the months of July and August. Lacrosse and ball hockey will also be available in June.


If you have any questions regarding the Multiplex Community Centre please contact Barclay Mayhew, Director, Project Development 613-546-4291 ext. 1350 or by email at bmayhew@cityofkingston.ca.

[Lydia]

Please visit www.ktownaquaticcentre.ca for details about the City of Kingston's
decision concerning our proposed Community Aquatic Centre.



the Meeting of the Kingston Arts, Recreation and Community Policies Committee
Thursday April 24th, 2008 at 6PM
Location:
Portsmouth Olympic Harbour Press Lounge, Portsmouth Olympic Harbour, 53 Yonge Street

The dmA Report has been finalised and submitted to City Staff.

Staff will make a recommendation to the ARC Committee and ask to proceed with a design study for a 50m pool and two bulkheads. However it remains to be seen just what such a facility would include to meet this community's identified needs and at what cost.

Last July, KAARS identified to the City that the need was for an Aquatic Centre, not just a 50m pool and two bulkheads to achieve full recreational, leisure and sport development for our youth, seniors and sport enthusiasts, meeting the needs of the present as well as that of future generations.

KAARS has delegation status during this meeting and will make a presentation hi-liting the multi-use concept of recreation, leisure and sport development in an Aquatic Centre based on the findings of visits to pool facilities in the Montreal area. Your support is needed. Show Council that it is truly a community priority. Please attend!

[Lydia]

April's Entry

This is a brief update on the Multiplex. These updates will be issued to you on a monthly basis and can be used for circulation to your membership.

Construction
Most people may have spring fever, but anyone looking at how the site is progressing in the last few weeks will have their thoughts on sharpening their skates and trying out the new ice. The dasherboards and protective netting are completed and the seats are ready for the spectators. Construction crews are working at a heightened pace to complete construction.
The terrazzo flooring is complete and the final polishing will be done after substantial completion and building cleanup. Painting throughout the facility continues.
Construction crews will be on site in May to complete some exterior elements such as the paving of the parking lot and final landscaping.

Operations, marketing and naming rights

Naming Rights for the complex as well as the sponsorships for the individual rinks should be finalized in May.

Furniture has been ordered and will be arriving in May. There will be comfortable seating to relax and enjoy a coffee and a snack from the concessions.

May 30, 2008 has been selected as the official opening of the Multiplex. Plans for a variety of activities with community centred events are underway. Mark your calendars and join Mayor Rosen to open this state of the art community centre. The Fitness Centre will be operational in early fall.

Programming will be available for summer hockey, floor hockey, and lacrosse starting June 1 2008.

If you have any questions regarding the Multiplex Community Centre please contact Barclay Mayhew, Director, Project Development 613-546-4291 ext. 1350 or by email at bmayhew@cityofkingston.ca.

[Lydia]

It has been upseting to me to see how some Council members are going to make decisions on this 50 Meter pool.

I have followed the Multiplex issue for a few years and I know first hand that taxpayers have complete opportunity to discuss and influence the decisions on the 50 meter pool. For Councilor Dorothy Hector to imply that the NAY camp didn't have the opportunity is totally without merit.

The multiplex was NEVER TO BE 4 ICE RINKS ONLY. The previous Council was informed by the Advisory Committee during those discussions that this was not to be just a ice rink facility. The Advisory Committee informed the Steering Committee at that time that the Multiplex was to be a SPORTS COMPLEX.

Various sports were considered and were supported to be on the site. This was the reason that the Fortune Crescent Site was chosen to begin with. That meant the 4 ice rinks, 50 meter pool, and other sports and fitness center. Mayor Harvey even tried to inform the newpaper that Kevin George wasn't holding open meetings. This was a complete falsehood. The Advisory Committe and the Steering Committee on the Multiplex was THE MOST OPEN project this city has ever had.

The location was chosen because of the fact that it was city owned and that other lands in the city would be more valuable to be used for Business Development.

The surveys, the evaluations have all been done. Why is this Council trying to waste more taxpayer's money by delaying this project. Have you not wasted enough consulting fees on this already?

Anyone who gave a dan was invited to speak directly to both those committees at every meeting that these committees had.

Had the Mayor and previous council even listened to the public on the LVEC and other projects. He would know that the public at large wanted ONE COMPLEX which would have been the Multiplex and LVEC as one complex and therefore saved millions of taxpayer's dollars. The public would have been more happy to have had the LVEC or similar complex on the Memorial Site. The community there were strong and deserve full credit for not allowing the previous council to destroy their arena.

Also the previous council were told to build the Multiplex only if all the other rinks were to be closed. This of course would have been totally crazy and distructive to communities and the public showed them that this was not going to happen. So there you have it folks,

To change what was already accounted for and supported now would be another waste of taxpayer's money. It is exactly where this council was when they had a choice to stop the LVEC from continuing to be build. This council chose to continue with the KROCK. Why would this council now chose to not support the other project that was committeed to previously.

If you don't finish what you started you will waste taxpayers dollars. If you finish what you started you waste taxpayers dollars however at least you will have something of value not just ice rinks.

So Dorothy, don't sit there and say the No Camp on the 50 Meter pool didn't have a say. They sure did and they had a say for over 2 years if not more. Where were these Nay sayers when the discussions were happening before the Multiplex was build???? Why didn't they have the guts to stand up and be counted then???

[Dogma]

Sink pool plan; most residents don't want it

Posted 1 hour ago

What is it with the current city council? Councillors all talk about "legacy projects," as if each councillor needs to have a legacy project of his or her own before his or her term expires.

And why does a "legacy project" need to cost tens of millions of dollars, with most of the initial costs, and operating costs in subsequent years, being borne by the taxpayers of this city?

Specifically, I'm referring to the proposed 50- metre pool project. We are already overtaxed and now will be asked to pay more taxes to appease the very few who might use a 50-metre pool. It makes me sick.

To Kingston's city councillors I say, get your heads out of the sand and listen to the people you represent (or supposedly represent). In this case, forget the consultants and listen to the people who elected you.
Not only are the people of Kingston speaking out against this project, but Mayor Harvey Rosen also is speaking out against it.

In an interview with a local newspaper, Rosen called the project "too lavish," and he also said that he "made a mistake last year by supporting the initial study." He was also quoted as saying that "it doesn't fit the city's needs" and that "it would appeal to a very small segment of the community."

I applaud Rosen for coming forward and making these comments, considering his track record on large projects. Now the mayor must stand by his comments. If he is taking the lead and speaking out, maybe councillors and city staff should listen.

Acting chief administrative officer Gerard Hunt says the city can carry a workable debt load of $350 million. Just because we can, should we? Hunt, most councillors and some city staff seem to be extremely shortsighted on this concept, or maybe blind altogether.

Am I saying that we shouldn't take on more debt if needed? Certainly not, although any projects we take more debt on should be for the good of a large section of the population. This pool is not one of those projects.
For less of a financial outlay, we could build two or three smaller pools spread out in locations across the city, giving a much larger segment of the population access to these facilities. The Canadian Forces Base Kingston pool is a great model of what is needed.

The unfortunate thing is that we can't even threaten to speak on this matter with our votes in the next election because the decisions will have been made by then. And even if all the current councillors were not re-elected, we would still be forced to pay for something we do not want. So we hope that our current representatives hear our plea.

Kingston's city councillors should take a long, hard look at this matter. A 50-metre pool is not needed and not wanted by most Kingstonians, and it should be scrapped.

Do it for the citizens of Kingston. Stop the madness now before any more of our hard-earned tax dollars are wasted. The majority don't want a 50-metre pool.
Enos Hillier
Kingston

[Lydia]

It has been upseting to me to see how some Council members are going to make decisions on this 50 Meter pool.

I have followed the Multiplex issue for a few years and I know first hand that taxpayers have complete opportunity to discuss and influence the decisions on the 50 meter pool. For Councilor Dorothy Hector to imply that the NAY camp didn't have the opportunity is totally without merit.

The multiplex was NEVER TO BE 4 ICE RINKS ONLY. The previous Council was informed by the Advisory Committee during those discussions that this was not to be just a ice rink facility. The Advisory Committee informed the Steering Committee at that time that the Multiplex was to be a SPORTS COMPLEX.

Various sports were considered and were supported to be on the site. This was the reason that the Fortune Crescent Site was chosen to begin with. That meant the 4 ice rinks, 50 meter pool, and other sports and fitness center. Mayor Harvey even tried to inform the newpaper that Kevin George wasn't holding open meetings. This was a complete falsehood. The Advisory Committe and the Steering Committee on the Multiplex was THE MOST OPEN project this city has ever had.

The location was chosen because of the fact that it was city owned and that other lands in the city would be more valuable to be used for Business Development.
The surveys, the evaluations have all been done. Why is this Council trying to waste more taxpayer's money by delaying this project. Have you not wasted enough consulting fees on this already?

Anyone who gave a dan was invited to speak directly to both those committees at every meeting that these committees had.

Had the Mayor and previous council even listened to the public on the LVEC and other projects. He would know that the public at large wanted ONE COMPLEX which would have been the Multiplex and LVEC as one complex and therefore saved millions of taxpayer's dollars. The public would have been more happy to have had the LVEC or similar complex on the Memorial Site. The community there were strong and deserve full credit for not allowing the previous council to destroy their arena.

Also the previos council were told to buiid the Multiplex only if all the other rinks were to be closed. This of course would have been totally crazy and distructive to communities and the public showed them that this was not going to happen. So there you have it folks,

To change what was already accounted for and supported now would be another waste of taxpayer's money. It is exactly where this council was when they had a choice to stop the LVEC from continuing to be build. This council chose to continue with the KROCK. Why would this council now chose to not support the other project that was committeed to previously.

If you don't finish what you started you will waste taxpayers dollars. If you finish what you started you waste taxpayers dollars however at least you will have something of value not just ice rinks.

So Dorothy, don't sit there and say the No Camp on the 50 Meter pool didn't have a say. They sure did and they had a say for over 2 years if not more. Where were these Nay sayers when the discussions were happening before the Multiplex was build???? Why didn't they have the guts to stand up and be counted then???


So where the heck where you Enos Hillier when the multiplex was being discussed over the past 2 years and more prior to the 7 (SEVEN Projects) were spoken about??? I didn't see you once at any of those meetings. Why are you NOW saying no????? Oh just for the record, I will never be swimming as an Olypmic Swimmer or am i associated with any GROUP that are involved in swimming. I am also a TAXPAYER and I resent people who start a project and do not complete it because of Nay sayers that come AFTER A PROJECT has started.

[Lydia]

Hi folks,

Christopher West, has allowed me to share the following email with you all.

Whether you are for or against this 50 meter pool come out and have your say. Let's clear the air on this issue once and for all.


Dear Friends,

The following press release was issued by the Kingston Association for Aquatics Recreation and Sport (KAARS) yesterday. Please read and attend if you can.

CW


DIVE INTO THE POOL DEBATE
Thursday, June 26th 6PM, the Olympic Harbour
Press Lounge

At the urging of Councillor Ed Smith, the City is reaching out to an
aquatics expert of national standing, to shed light on the debate over
Kingston's proposed new Aquatic Centre.

Gary Malcolm, Director of Culture, Sports, Leisure and Social Development
for the Town of Pointe Claire QC (pop. 29,000) will address City Council's
Arts & Recreation & Cultural Policy Committee meeting being held Thursday,
June 26th.

Councillor Smith, City Staff and KAARS representatives visited Pointe Claire's
Aquatic Centre, which includes a 50-meter pool, last November. Since then under
the direction of Mr. Malcolm, Pointe Claire has embarked on the construction of its
second 50-meter pool.

As the Kingston delegation learned during its visit, Pointe Claire's Aquatic Centre is
arguably one of the most progressively run and successful facilities of its kind in the country.

Mr. Malcolm has been associated with aquatic facility management and
programming for the past 30 years. He is extremely knowledgeable and has
been invited by the City to share his knowledge and experience with Kingstonians.

This is a public meeting and whether one is a rabid supporter, vehemently opposed,
or sitting on the fence, KAARS strongly urges all to attend. It should
be very informative.



For more information, please call or email me:
612-531-9746
cwest@3macs.com
KAARS website:
http://www.ktownaquaticcentre.ca/

[Lydia]

Previous councils had decided to have SEVEN that is 7 projects.
LVEC, Rink at Market Square, Grand Theatre, Multiplex, and 3 others. These projects were voted on, told that they would have the funding, etc.
The problem with Kingston councils is this: THEY ALWAYS HAVE TO STUDY, STUDY,STUDY,AND DEBATE, DEBATE, AND DEBATE PREVIOUS projects. Wouldn't it be NICE and comforting to have projects that have been decided upon. FINISHED!!!!!!

The Yes and No camps on every issue had their say on all these projects before they were decided upon by Councils. Get off the pot and EITHER DO THEM OR DON'T START PROJECTS THAT ARE NEVER FINISHED.

Taxpayers are PAYING FOR THESE DARN STUDIES AND DEBATES instead of actually getting their money's worth and getting something concreate for their TAXES.
:mad::mad:

[gdcs]

Upfront, I am not in favour of building a new $30 million dollar pool. I might buy into it if I truly believed that the majority of taxpayers are in favour. The only way to find out is by referendum. The pro folks don't want that in case they lose. The City has enough debt and is clearly not spending enough money on aging infrastructure. Ever increasing taxes are unsustainable and frankly, not an option. THERE IS NO MORE MONEY OUT THERE.

[Lydia]

How, How, How. GDCS, No new mONEY?????hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Looking at all the money they are taking FROM YOU AND ME. lmao.

Didn't you see the nice new wishlist budget??? huMMMMMMMMMMMMMM. Look at all that money they are going to use????

Look at all the money they are giving to YOUR CHARITIES???? lmao. Like you said, you don't need to give any more to the charities of yours that you ordinarily would donate too. Now the City is doing that for you.

You are complete correct GDCS, EXCEPT on the 50 Meter pool. lol lol. However, since Leonore Foster told someone last council that if we start having referendums for such things, we will have to do it for ALL projects.


Hummmmmmmmmmm, that actually sounds like a GREAT IDEA. She indicated they we should have faith in our councilors to do the RIGHT THING.

See GDCS, have faith. lol lol. lol.

[gdcs]

Lydia,
Another problem I have with these projects is the amount of real money used for them and the difficulty involved in trying to get information from the City. For example, Council approved a $22 million loan at 5 percent for 30 years to fund LVEC. Are the interest charges factored in to the overall cost? What is the total individual donation I am forced to make to KGH? Councillors and staff throw numbers out with the hope that you will just go away. Based on recent experience, your $30 min pool will quickly become $50 million in this City. They still don't know how much LVEC will cost and it has been open for several months.

[Lydia]

your $30 min pool will quickly become $50 million in this City


You are totally correct on this. The longer they stall the more it will cost YOU and me for the same thing we could have had for 30 million. If the costs are going up, then you better know that this is a game. A game that makes the CONSULTANTS RICHER, How many studies does this city NEED to make up it's mind.

I agree that a referendum SHOULD have been done I send out a Voter's list where the people could tell their councilors what items WE want for our taxes. Hopefully you and everyone does that.

If they won't do a referendum then at least the people have TOLD them what we wanted. Pool or No Pool, I win. However, will this city???

[gdcs]

Clearly, there is no public consensus on the building of a pool. Lydia and I will never agree on this. The best way to resolve the issue would be through a referendum. I really don't care what Rob Matheson or Lenore Foster think of the idea. It could be done as part of the next tax bill or better yet, during the next municipal election. Lets remember, it is only the municipal taxpayers of Kingston who are expected to fund this very costly project. I will never respect the present method of decision making as it favours special interests and leaves the general wishes of the citizens out. I would respect a simple majority in a referendum. Seems extremely democratic to me.

[Lydia]

You are correct when you say we differe on this 50 Meter pool. However, there are soooooooooooo many things that you are totally correct on and I respect your views on them.

I too would LOVE a referendum done. There is a way that these councilors and future ones can do the RIGHT thing without having to deal with ''SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS"". All that they need to do is ask the question on the Utilitiy Kingston bills. Those go out every month so why not use that method.

Anyway, GDCS, keep in mind that although we differ on the Pool, we really only want what is best for the Taxpayer.

[Toranto123]

I like the way you conveyance and converse with the contributors to the thread LYDIA. I must admit you are taking proper care of the problems and they way it must be tackled.

[Lydia]

Thank you Toronto, it is appreciated. The Multiplex and the 50 meter pool is something I have been following for many years now.

The work that the developer of the 50 meter pool has patiently worked with several councils is outstanding. I saw Community Advisory Committees tack this issue long ago and worked hard for an agreement among themselves and yet Council has decided that was never good enough to get the job done.

I saw countless public meetings on this topic and yet nothing happened either way for or against.

So you see Toronto123, it is time to get of their assets and build this pool.
Again thank you for your encouragement.

[Lydia]

Posted in the Whig, one day ago


POOL PLANS UP FOR REVIEW

Concept plans for an outdoor water park to replace the Leo Lafleur Pool will be reviewed at a public meeting Monday at 7 p. m. at the Memorial Centre. New features at the facility may include a larger pool, showers and change rooms, a pool for tots and landscaping. The pool area will also include a therapeutic leisure pool, aquafit area and a diving area. The city has secured $2 million from the provincial and federal governments to help pay for the $6 million pool project, part of the overall Memorial Centre revitalization. The plans can also be reviewed and feedback given at www.cityofkingston.ca/waterpark.Deadline for comment is Oct. 2.

Maybe this pool won't be opposed. Maybe a Pool at the Investa Centre is the only one Council was opposed to so far. Or Maybe it is opposed to having a pool in the West End or the East End

[run2010]

What turned me off on the Invista centre pool idea is the location. Since the Memorial Centre pool is being gutted, we could rebuild the pool as part of the new Memorial Centre / Park. If there were to be a pool, I would like to see it become an indoor pool. As for the requirements for a 50m pool, does anyone know how big the RMC pool is. What is the availability of this pool? Can 50m pools be divided in smaller pools for other requirements?

[Lydia]

Okay, So you were upset because of where the pool was located. Is that the only reason you were upset?

I have and always was for the pool to be part of a SPORTS COMPLEX not just a SKATING RINK. The pool location was mapped out on the official plan of the Multiplex. The reason it was not build was because they said that council wanted to build the Rinks first and then proceed to the pool.

Just for the record, community rinks in this city were to be torn down ( I am totally against that) and that the Investa Centre was to replace them.

I am not against the pool being at Memorial Centre. The people in that area deserve every thing they ask for because that community came out and worked together to get what they have.

What I am against is the fact that a SPORTS complex which was build was originally schedules to have a pool attached to it. What I am against is that the KROCK AND INVESTA should have been build somewhere close to the 401 and should have been one complex but were not.

I believe in community sporting facilities in every district in this city, especially since the majority of the residents in this city actually live in the Western part of this City.

[run2010]

First. I agreee that KROCK was built in the wrong location. It is now built so we have to make the best of it. Invista, well that is close to the 401 .
I would not quite say that I am upset. Thing is with swimming pools, unless they are inside you can only uise them for 4 -6 months of the year. Rather than an outdoor pool could we not have them inside.? This could maximize year round useage.

How many pools do we have now in Kingston?
1) RMC - does this count
2) artillary
3) YMCA -does this count
4) Leo Lafleur - to be closed proposed outdoor
5) Henderson Pl - outdoor

If you want a pool in every district that would be 8 or 9 more, nice, but not financially realistic.

The reason I would prefer a larger pool to replace Leo Lafleur is that it is a central location making it easier for children to use. ( better to bike ride to York St than to the Investa Centre.

A referendum would be a good idea, but having the referendum vote in the utility bill would exclude people that do not get a utility bill.

Disclaimer: I have a pool at my apartment where i live so regardless of which location is picked, it would not affect me personally.

[Lydia]

Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 10

First. I agreee that KROCK was built in the wrong location. It is now built so we have to make the best of it. Invista, well that is close to the 401 .
I would not quite say that I am upset. Thing is with swimming pools, unless they are inside you can only uise them for 4 -6 months of the year. Rather than an outdoor pool could we not have them inside.? This could maximize year round useage.

How many pools do we have now in Kingston?
1) RMC - does this count
2) artillary
3) YMCA -does this count
4) Leo Lafleur - to be closed proposed outdoor
5) Henderson Pl - outdoor

If you want a pool in every district that would be 8 or 9 more, nice, but not financially realistic.

The reason I would prefer a larger pool to replace Leo Lafleur is that it is a central location making it easier for children to use. ( better to bike ride to York St than to the Investa Centre.

A referendum would be a good idea, but having the referendum vote in the utility bill would exclude people that do not get a utility bill.

Disclaimer: I have a pool at my apartment where i live so regardless of which location is picked, it would not affect me personally.

[Lydia]

We can't do anything about the KROCK any more other than encourage people to attend activities otherwise, we will be paying for it completely without getting anything out of it. So to me the KROCK is something I can say would be better as a Casino with Major Entertainment in the facility (Like they have at Atlantic City Casinos. etc etc.

You made excellent points however, So let me see how I personally feel about them. Then I will point out how the majority of the people i know really feel about pools in general.

The ONLY reason I harper about a pool at the Investa center is how the Original Advisory Group dealing with the Investa as a SPORTS CENTER AND NOT JUST ICE RINKS. The Public always had an opportunity to express their input and only members of that committee actually did fight it out and came upon a full agreement because it became a win/win situation for everyone on that committee. They decided to have the Ice Rinks build FIRST and then get the pricing and do the research on how the Pool would work on that property. That was accomplished and the plan included an INDOOR POOL despite that fact that counsultanst told them over and over again that it would cost less if everything was build together.

You asked the following and to my knowledge there is my answer
How many pools do we have now in Kingston?
1) RMC - does this count
NO because it belongs to the military.

2) artillary
Yes and this is the only one that can be used year round. and belongs to the city.

3) YMCA -does this count
Yes however it does NOT belong to the city. Even thought the majority of people I know actually use it.

4) Leo Lafleur - to be closed proposed outdoor If they are going to spend 6 million on this pool then I hope that it is an indoor pool. I personally am not again a 50 meter pool being here at all.

5) Henderson Pl - outdoor
I am not sure, but isn't that pool considered to be outside of Kingston?

6) Premium Fitness,
Yes, this is an indoor pool and I live closer to this pool. However this again isn't a city owned pool

7) Pioneer Fitness
Yes, Also an indoor pool and closer than the YMCA to me but also not a city owned pool

I agree 8 to 9 more would be nice and certain not financially realistic.
I am not against having one in each district. Actually if you take a good look at Brampton, There is a pool almost in every neighbourhood there.

I would prefer a larger pool to replace Leo Lafleur if I lived in your area as well. That is exactly why I said I would love to see one in each and every district. That I fully understand. That is not what upset me at all.


A referendum would be a great idea and everyone has said let us have one. However our councilors say NOOOOOOOOOO. All the beckering would have stopped years ago if they actually did that. Everyone would have a say and we could live with that choice. (Including me)

What DOES upset me is that the issue of a pool at the Investa has not been settled forever. The people who have fought for it (including me) have been left in limbo. There is no final YES OR NO. And yet this council is talking about a pool in another district. Are they going to be left in limbo too????

Although there are 2 indoor pools within a half a 10 minute drive, I still go to the YMCA because they have a leisure pool in them. I like the programs that the YMCA presents to people .

It isn't the location but the process that upset me. So again Thanks for sharing and know that I can fully understand your reasoning on this one.

Now when it comes to ANY talks on a 50 Meter pool the majority of people I know are very upset with the city even wanting to waste tax money on a pool that is not self-sufficient. I respect their decision because they were always upfront with me and still respect me for mine. They too wanted referendum.

[run2010]

I admit at the time i did not really follow the pool issue ( for obvious reasons i believe I have to form an opinionthis time).

I did not really wanted to add Premire Fitness as it is a commercial venture. Unless things have changed anyone can use the RMC gym ( I did to get ready for a physical before i was going for Basic Training and not official enrolled . BTW i am not longer military due to a bad knee- but i can see the RMC gym. I will make it an effort to go next week and find out if there are any restrictions). Henderson Place is in Kingston (east of the airport).

I do not think a 50m pool would be for everyone so I would like to see a method to make it into 2 smaller pools on demand. This is available. Also it would have to be an indoor pool regardless of location.

I did mention that I have a pool at the apartment where i live so i am not saying "where do i want the pool". I am basing my opinion on local geography and accessibility

[Lydia]

Trust me on this Run2010, I fully understand your position and I do agree with you on the following. An olympic 50 Meter pool can be created in such a way that it can be divided when needed into two separate pools.

I fully agree that it should also be an INDOOR pool regardless of where it is located. Since the YMCA is actually in the center of the city, I like the idea of having a Sports Complex having a pool in the West end where the majority of the population lives.

Travel time to any pool isn't my issue as well. Let's face it the majority of people don't live next door to a public pool.

I would be interested in learn whether or not the RMC pool is open to the public at large as well. So keep us informed.;)

[run2010]

I decide to check online to see if i coul;d find the answer?
http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/asu_kingston/psp/kmcsc/Default.aspx

snip
Primarily a training facility for CFB Kingston and RMC, our clientele also extends to military families, DND employees and their families, as well as civilians living in the Kingston area.
end snip.

This is actually a nice facility

Harold

[Lydia]

Thank you Run2010, I am very happy that the Eastern Kingston Residents have indeed a swimming pool available to them. You asked if these were considered the City's pools. So as I see it the City really owns only 2 pools. All the rest are publicly owned and not run by the city.

However, thank you for clarifying for us that the RMC pool is open to the public. That is great.:D:D

[Lydia]

Dear Pool Users,



Last May, Kingston City Council considered the findings of the Aquatic Facility Feasibility Study Final Report by Clem Pelot. The report evaluated the construction and operating cost of an Aquatic Centre based on a 50m and 25m design concept. Council declined the option for a 50m facility after considering the implications to taxpayers.



Since that time Staff have investigated the concept for a 25m facility more fully, soliciting the help of the award winning design spe******ts, Canon Design of Vancouver, BC (the creators of the Richmond Olympic Oval) to produce a more developed conceptual design for the new Aquatic Centre. Upon initiating this step City Staff also consulted pool users via the Kingston Association of Aquatic Recreation and Sport (KAARS). Interested parties from water polo, synchronised swimming, competitive swimming, the Special Olympics and swimming in general, attended meetings to provide input.



Staff were very attentive to our input and have come up with a design that will be unique in Ontario. The proposed $23M Aquatic Centre includes a 10 lane, 25m pool with a bulkhead (to allow simultaneous uses such as diving lessons while lap swimming occurs on the other side of the bulkhead). The 5 ft minimum depth of this pool means it will be well suited for water polo and aqua fit exercises while also being a ‘fast’ swim tank for competitive swimming when the bulkhead is retracted. A significant leisure component in a separate annex provides a shallow entry, lazy river, water slide, kiddies pool and wave rider to attract those looking for leisure and excitement. Beyond this there is even more, such as the proposed glassed-in running track on the second floor, integrated with the existing fitness component at the Invista Centre (to be expanded as part of this project). There is also a seniors’ centre and full sized gymnasium. This is by far a truly exceptional proposal that will meet the needs of this community in keeping with Council’s decision to build a 25m pool. The Invista Centre will then become a true Community Health and Wellness Centre as a complete multi-use facility!



This proposal has just been posted on the City’s website for public comment until March 23rd with notice that it will be presented to the Arts Recreation and Community Policies Committee on March 25th (5PM at the Olympic Harbour). This email is an attempt to reach everyone that needs to know how important it is to show community support and encourage City Council to continue with moving this project forward. Council has moved many projects forward during the past year. A new Aquatic Centre should not stop, but should continue also.



Note that the City website also includes a wonderful expansion of Artillery Park. It is obvious that this major renovation will depend on having the new facility at the Invista Centre in place for patrons to use while this renovation is undertaken - otherwise City pool users have no pool for at least a year or more! One cannot be accomplished without the other.



To move ahead we need support 1) your comments are important! Visit the City’s website to see if anything has been missed, 2) your presence is needed on the 25th and 3) after all has been said and done it will be a subsequent vote by the full City Council. Conveying comments to Councillors and attending that meeting will be important again.



Without this effort the project could be deferred and mislaid until after this fall’s municipal election, after which all bets will be off and 5 years of effort might be lost. We feel Council should shoulder their intentions of a year ago and approve the detailed design component for the continuation of this project into the next term, consistent with the Aquatic Centre Feasibility Study and the recently completed Parks and Recreation Master Plan.



Lot’s to read, lots to do, but one should never expect less for something that is worth so much.





PS: It would be great if some attending would stand before the Committee on March 25th to express their personal support to the concept. If any one wishes to speak with delegation status I will gladly support this with my personal attention/assistance and make these arrangements for a skilful and coordinated response. Your help will be greatly appreciated. Simply let me know and we will make this a great effort, together

[Lydia]

Preview Your Opinion: Aquatic Centre Concept
YOUR COMMENTS:
When the KROCK and the MULTIPLEX where introduced as projects that would be useful to this city to save money instead of maintaining the OLD ICE RINKS, the financial considerations were MADE, the proposals were made, the consultants were used. Does this city need to postpone this decision and COST this city additon tax increases in going around this SAME process in future years? So far we have been lucky that costs have not gone up as largely it can due to a RECESSION.

This city has ONLY ONE City owned pool. Surely after over 100 years we can afford ONE addition pool that we own.

Communty association members indicated that THEY want their own rinks and were not happy with rinks being decommissioned. Which this Council fully aware off.

The Multiplex Advisory Group during previous council were TOLD that the Investa SHOULD not be JUST RINKS. This City Needs a SPORT COMPLEX. This council is going in the correct direction when they decided to continue with the concept of SPORTS COMPLEX.

This includes, Skating, Swimming, Track and Field, Fitness Centre, Senior's Centre, and Community Meeting room useages. The Investa can now be considered a SPORTS COMPLEX not just ICE RINK.

Okay, members of THIS council are concerned about sustainablity and environment. Councilors please consider the increase in population that is coming to the city and where that population will be located. Do you REALLY need ALL those automobiles coming down town to use up Parking spots, polution of the air, and conjestion.

I can go on with other reasons to have the Council finish the approval process of including the Pool and other uses for the Investa. I will save that for Alex's Committee on March 25.



Lydia