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posting
05-12-2006, 01:27 PM
Let A Plebiscite Decide Stadium Issue
Money bylaws kept deals out of the back room.

-- The Frontier Centre for Public Policy

April 24, 2006

http://fcpp.org/main/publication_detail.php?PubID=1351

In Brief:

Citizens of Winnipeg will be asked to underwrite a new football stadium.

In a better day, such issues were decided directly by the people though a money bylaw.
The system kept a check on monument-building, even as it sped up projects with a consensus.
The history of money bylaws demonstrates the virtues of a functional democracy.
Here we go again. Talk of another publicly funded major sports complex is back, this time prompted by bad news from the Winnipeg Football Club. The Bombers are losing money again, and are arguing that future profits depend on a new, state-of-the art stadium.

“So you can pay now or pay later,” reports Randy Turner (“Bombers campaign for new stadium,” Winnipeg Free Press, April 19). The paper’s readers are unmoved by this special pleading. A Free Press straw poll the next day had 72 percent of them not thinking a brand new stadium will fix the team’s problems. If the Bombers want public subsidies for the project, they’ll have to convince a lot more taxpayers.

In 2004, a consortium announced plans for a $165-million football stadium at Winnipeg’s west edge, and it seemed to have all its ducks in a row. The Red River Ex wanted to fulfill its unmet goal to operate the venue year round. The Bombers, used to passing the hat among politicians, dreamed about a big-city, covered palace. CanadInns, the hotel chain whose name is already plastered above the old stadium, a perfectly sound building, had grand ambitions for a new hotel with a water park.

The consortium received $125,000, half of the cost of a “feasibility study,” from the Canada-Manitoba Economic Partnership Agreement, a political slush fund. Supposed to report months ago, that plan fell apart, a collateral victim of the collapse of the Crocus Fund. No shovels ever turned. Whatever new scheme comes along, we can count on one thing: They’re going to come to all three levels of government with their hands out.

Despite ample research showing that “sports so******m” does not boost the overall economy, hype and emotion from the interests who will reap concentrated benefits from a new stadium may persuade beleaguered politicians to fold to the pressure. We can expect the usual sectarian bickering, between football boosters and the general public more concerned with roads that are falling apart. No matter who prevails, many folks will be upset.
http://www.fcpp.org/images/publications/OldCityHall2.jpg There’s another way to defuse issues like this, one that worked well when our city was clearly an ascendant, successful city. It’s a formal, democratic mechanism for decision-making, one with a proven track record. For a large part of the last century, the people of Winnipeg had the power to approve or disapprove such spending, through money bylaws.

Remember the angst over downtown’s MTS Centre, the interminable delays in planning and construction? Contrast that with the history of the building it replaced, the Winnipeg Arena. In 1954, building inspectors condemned the aging Ampitheatre at Broadway and Osborne. Only a month later, the City asked voters to approve spending $2 million for a new building. About 11,500 said “yes” and 7,500 said “no.” Exactly eighteen months later, the new building opened for business. Money bylaws not only build accountability into the process, they make it efficient.

http://www.fcpp.org/images/publications/Winnipeg%20City%20Hall.jpg The mechanism is in place. Section 120 of the current City of Winnipeg Act still contains a provision for plebiscites. Unfortunately, it now says that “the Council may submit any question” to the voters, but only for “an expression of opinion” that “is not binding on the Council.” That’s too bad.

Life was still complicated when Winnipeg used money bylaws to approve capital spending on large projects. But money bylaws clarified the process by allowing us to vote such ideas up or down. It’s a far superior method to the backroom dealing and manipulation of political budgets that replaced it.

Between 1899 and 1968, when the last such measures appeared on the civic ballot, hundreds of questions were put to a vote. In some years, as many as fifteen referenda were offered up. Although some dealt with quaint issues like coloured margarine, daylight savings time and Sunday entertainment, most involved public spending.

Money bylaws divided quite neatly into three categories, health and safety, recreation and infrastructure. Almost all proposals in the first—for things like hospitals, fire halls and baths to sanitize immigrants—passed quickly. Measures to pay for parks and sports facilities usually fared well, another expression of the values of voters.

Infrastructure spending was another matter. Proposals for school spending usually succeeded, but money for streets, bridges, underpasses and overpasses, gas works, electricity lines and power plants, water and sewer lines was just as likely to be turned down as approved. The Disraeli Freeway, for instance, met with defeat twice before it finally got a green light in 1958.

Although many politicians resented these intrusions—indeed, the law that created Unicity axed money bylaws—they benefited from the process. Plebiscites required them to hone their rhetorical and argumentative skills. Once sanctioned, projects moved forward quickly. Democratic virtue replaced the self-serving wheeling and dealing of smoke-filled rooms. Freed after 1972 from the constraint of voter approval, civic politicians racked up more than a billion dollars in debt, with massive service charges that still hobble city budgets and services.

Take a look at Winnipeg’s history of money bylaws. (http://www.fcpp.org/main/publication_detail.php?PubID=1350) Almost no measures were put to the voters during times of national emergency, like the World Wars and the Great Depression. Throughout other years, their history provides evidence of a vibrant and thriving democracy.
Let’s have an open debate on a new stadium, and then put it up for a vote.

The Frontier Centre for Public Policy is an independent public policy think tank whose mission is "to broaden the debate on our future through public policy research and education and to explore positive changes within our public institutions that support economic growth and opportunity."

Exhibitionist
05-12-2006, 02:11 PM
Arena proposals go public

The Whig-Standard
Local News - Friday, May 12, 2006 @ 07:00

Sydenham Road resident Pat McNamee leaned over the approximately one-foot-long plastic model of a 5,000-seat entertainment centre and pointed to the round, domed structure over the main entrance.

“What’s this here?” he asked.

“It’s reminiscent of a martello tower,” replied architect Lind Nyman, one of roughly a dozen professionals who brought models, powerpoint presentations, videos and celebrity endorsements to City Hall last night.

Four teams of private companies pitched plans to build a downtown arena and entertainment centre to an overflow crowd of roughly 200 Kingstonians who filled Memorial Hall.

The city must still decide if it will proceed with the $37.45-million project. It would choose a preferred design from the four finalists.

Citizens were able to inspect scale models and hear the architects and engineers describe their proposals. There also were opportunities for questions.

“I think the makeup of the crowd is much different” from the usual groups involved, said Joe Hawkins, a former city politician who is active in sports and civic affairs. The audience featured the familiar faces of critics and boosters of the project, but there were also Kingstonians new to the debate.

Downtown resident Catherine Styles said she wanted to see the designs.

“I’m really not familiar with what has gone on,” she said. “I’m interested in architecture and not wanting more bad architecture.”

“I think there’s a lot of bad architecture down here, especially along the waterfront.”

High school student Nathan Farrell also is concerned about the look of the complex since he lives nearby on Rideau Street.

“Will it fit the quality and heritage of our area?” asked the 14-year-old Kingston Collegiate and Vocational Institute student. “I want to see if they used the space efficiently.”

He liked the design by Giffels.

“I think they used the space well,” Nathan said.

Many people said they were impressed by all of the designs and inspired by the presentations.

“I think it’s time to drive ahead with this project,” said west-end resident Tom Sullivan, saying he favoured the designs that feature lots of glass.

Something has to get built, he said.

“I’d like the city to be attractive enough for my teenage kids to remain in Kingston when they graduate,” he said.

Citizens who had been skeptical that the large rink and concert venue would fit on the block at the northwest corner of Ontario and Barrack streets were convinced.

“The scale model convinces me that it can actually fit on that site,” said Tom Wroe, who operates a boat building business nearby on Wellington Street.

Wroe, who lives on Wolfe Island and takes the ferry to the city every day, remains concerned about traffic.

Retired heritage architect Lily Inglis wasn’t convinced that the site is big enough.

“It certainly seems as it’s very tight on the site,” said Inglis, 79. “It’s a shoehorn affair.”

The design was foremost in the minds of some.

“They’re all too boxy,” said west-end resident Gary Barratt.

“We want it to be street friendly,” added his wife, Anne. “We’d like to see some big-time entertainment in Kingston.”

One of the bid groups drew on a big-name sports star, retired pro hockey star Kirk Muller, to add local celebrity to their presentation.

The pitch by Giffels Construction and Norr Architects was introduced by Muller, who lent his name to the bid.

He spoke about the importance of teamwork, saying the Giffels team is best for the project.

Muller also appeared on camera in an inspirational video.

The presentation by PCL Construction featured an animated, three-dimensional simulation of a flyaround of the building after construction.

Just two of the 13 city politicians who will have final say on the project were in the audience for the three-hour meeting.

Councillor Floyd Patterson wouldn’t say if he has a favourite after taking in the slick pitches.

“I’m not telling you today,” Patterson said.

Politicians are to choose a preferred private operator on May 23 and on May 30, at a special council meeting that begins at 6 p.m. at City Hall, they will review a financing plan for the project and decide whether to proceed.

If they proceed, construction is to start in July, with the facility to open late in 2007.

The models that were on display last night will be placed in the foyer of City Hall so that citizens can view them in the weeks leading up to the final political decision.

Exhibitionist
05-12-2006, 06:01 PM
KCAL statement or quote for discussion - below - is published on the KCAL official web site:

KCAL - seriously believes:

- that because the Globe & Mails one (1) Convention mag. publication , which "does not mention hockey rinks /or more importantly THE rink "size" of the LVEC facility.."as a feature or an asset" - of an LVEC...to the event users or planners.....

"That ...

Proponents of Kingstons LVEC must in lala land to even think that the facilities (rink) would
be a determining factor, ASSET, or selling point for potential users/event planners....if its size (sq ft)
is NOT mentioned in other facilities of its kind" - in the publication KCAL cites.

Note: the publication(s) KCAL cites - are completely different advertisment "purposes".

Globe is published Nationally ...

- to promote - what I see on their link (is to do more about holiday resorts, golfing and swimming designations, - than any LVEC info......?) - go figure - its a holiday Inn retreat magazine. I wonder why they publish in late spring? uuummmm- summer vacation time?

and the other:

Is a "Local" ad - and an "information advert" - to (local citizens) on the LVEC's - features and opportunities.


KCAL continues to get it wrong ....

by suggesting: The Globes publication on facilities cited in the magazine:

- "SHOULD FEATURE" the rink sizes .........or in Kingston's case the - 100' x 85' rink. (8500 sq ft)

Infact; any knowledgable convention industry person knows, or frankly common sense would tell you .........

To brand and market ones assets - or to market a "state of the art facility" for conventions and offered services...

a) - you would NEVER just focus on one feature of ones facility or ones investment.
b) - or in this case as KCAL suggests - i.e exclusively the hockey rink - size.

Especially; when the Globes publication:

...focuses on larger and more established business and Trade and Convention facilities such as:the MTCC in Toronto, Place Bonaventure in Montreal, BC Place etc.. With tradeshow and convention facilities of 500,000 - 1,000,000 sq footage of - avaliable facility space.

The Kingston LVEC is NOT a Skydome or MTCC centre. (at 8500 sq ft rink)
- not even close.......

And in fact is NOT even targeted to compete with nor is built for the Metro Toronto Convention Centre size events.
- not even close.......

(Read the LVEC business plan)

Convention Facilities and their "value added features" market the TOTAL package:

i.e local services, location, Cities "branding image", local affordability, uniqueness..etc
these are exactly whatwill be and are the focus of "public ad campaigns".

(Read the LVEC business plan)

If KCAL really wish to KNOW something about the sq foot or frankly anything relavent of ANY LVEC, or facility location:

- for their annual meeting.... of the old elders armchair - "think they know it all association"....

1) There is an industry "standard" for the professional industry - Exhibition and Trade Magazine that is published (INDUSTRY WIDE) that is avaliable to every event planner in North America!

(European Conventions / Events are also included and featured regulary in this publication...)

2) There is also an Association of Event Planners that also publishes tons of
info - all the time....professionally on web, and catalogues...etc.

Regarding:

LVEC's, Convention Centres, Trade Show facilities, World Wide conferences -for the industry included are (avaliable size - sq ft of show space), facilitiy services, locations, parking, facilities contacts, logistical services, offical hotel specials, official show freight movers. (drayage charges) and of course, transportation info, airport information, B&B, weather, tourist info, money exchangers.....etc, etc, etc.

These latter resources are the Event Planners & Professional Associations - "bible".

NOT KCAL nieve and laughable try with THE GLOBES MAGAZINE- "articles of interest".

GET IT yet? - KCAL? You have researched the wrong materials! - AGAIN!

Well - KCAL here is some more information then..........

..just incase KCAL and this forum of "armchair elders" are to stubborn to learn anything new!.

LVEC's are fully encompassing facilities that include: breakout room facilities, seminar areas, hallway area demostations, information booths, tradeshow booth areas, meeting rooms, dining areas, areas for music and entertainment for the convention guests using and visiting / or using the (entire facility) during "the convention".

LVEC's are also about where they are located in a city and what cities local services can
cater to a wide range of events and event planners needs. (locally)

(Read the LVEC business plan - its all there.)

I hate to say it:

But from the outset of the LVEC project KCAL and Kingston's "general public of naysays".....

....really have had no clue of what these facilities "LVEC's" or frankly large convention centres are all about.

I have read in the Whig, web sites and talked with the general public and have constantly had to correct the "naysays and some (for) this project" of the reality of these types of facilites.

I believe one of the main reasons (of their misinformation and total ignorance of LVEC's) from KCAL and others is:

1) Kingston's general public have never (experienced) an LVEC - in Kingston.

2) Kingston citizens have never worked or or had any experienced with LVEC's in their lives.

3) Kingstonians have no "history" in staging, supporting or investing year after year in large conventions, trade shows or events in this region.

The Memorial Centre is not an LVEC.

Portsmouth Harbour is not an LVEC, the soccer dome is NOT and LVEC!

But, unfortunately Kingstonians (think) that the Kingston's Home Show with
60 exhibitors here is a big thing. The Agricultural Fair at The Memorial Centre is a big thing. Frankly; they pale compared to the major trade centre facilities...

In T.O the Home Show has 2000 + exhibitors, The Auto Show 300,00 in a week attend, Garden Shows, The Agricultural Fair is one of the largest in the world!

4) Kingstonian have no clue what "true" well run, popular events are about!

Thus KCAL narrow and frankly IGNORANT misinformation; when it comes to LVEC's or Convention facilities.

(PLEASE KCAL - Read the LVEC business plan, do REAL research NOT hysterical to much time on my hand - "enquire soap opera" B.S - for your glorification.

KCAL have no idea of the convention industry, industry marketing, function or
"develpment and execution" of a professional convention or trade show facility or event.

1) The proponents of the LVEC advert - focus is again - "the local opportunities" of the LVEC.

- you will see that they at least get the fact that the LVEC (and most facilities like it..)
- do not just feature the use of the LVEC as "hockey rink" !
- that this ad targets (the citizens of Kingston ONLY - it is an information ad)

AND.............................. they promote the entire facility!

BECAUSE it is a MULTIPURPOSE facility.

(Read the business plan!!!!!)

2) The KCAL example of the Globes "source" is ridiculously nieve and simple.

Again - the KCAL proves how inexperienced and childlike "their research" has been.

The SCARY thing is that the KCAL truly believe what they say is fact?.

Maybe they should at least read more than a page or two of the Globe they cite and visit a facility at least once in their life and then they may start to actually see what they are all about.

Oh ya - KCAL - read the business plan, marketing plans etc - its all on the City web site!



Twice a year the Globe and Mail publishes a 32-page glossy magazine titled In Conference (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/advertise/docs/2006_In_Conference.pdf) http://kcal.ca/offsitelnk.gif http://kcal.ca/pdf.gif which serves as an advertising vehicle for conference venues. It's distributed across the country to Globe subscribers and meeting planners. The Spring 2006 issue was delivered yesterday.

It's notable that in the current issue, as well as the Fall 2005 issue wherein London, Ontario was prominently featured, there is never a mention of hockey rinks or stadiums of any sort among the features and assets used to lure conventions and conferences. You'd think that if a 200'x85' surface with bowl seating was a competitive advantage in luring conventions and conferences that somebody would be pushing that, yet nobody appears to be doing so, certainly not in The Globe, in this magazine or anywhere else. Keep this in mind when LVEC proponents tell you that conferences and conventions is a notable reason to build Kingston's proposed LVEC (http://watchkingstongrow.com/reveal.html) http://kcal.ca/offsitelnk.gif.